One reason why High ISO quality is such a hobbyhorse is that so many people are trying to achieve shots that need a fast prime with a slow (f4 or slower) zoom. You NEED good high ISO when you're stuck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the guy next to you is shooting wide open with his 85/1.4 at ISO 800.
-Adam Tom C wrote: > Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging > that I get yours. > > I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy > grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, or > skewed, is that with film photography it was generally accepted that you > were going to sacrifice image quality when shooting high ISO film to get > the shot. Of course the same happens with digital, the higher the ISO, > the noisier the image, or the heavier the noise reduction, losing detail. > > My comments were that high ISO image quality suffers whether using film > or digital, so I wouldn't mind a FF DSLR with great low - mid ISO > performance and mediocre/poor high ISO performance, because... ta da! > :-) I expect mediocre/poor high ISO performance anyway. I have not shot > one image on the *ist D at 1600 ISO that I can say I'm really happy > with. Even if it is a nice shot, I can see that it would have better > with a tripod and lower ISO. > > I thoroughly understand that some kinds of photography and venues > dictate the use of high ISO. > > Tom C. > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) >> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:12:35 -0400 >> >> Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. >> It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that >> both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film >> I've ever used. It's worth raving about. >> >> Tom C wrote: >> > With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... >> > >> > I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 >> ISO any >> > day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO >> > performance at 1600 and above. I find any photo I take at 1600 or >> higher >> > with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot >> > otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800. >> > >> > Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many >> times I was >> > pushing 100 two stops to get 400. When I needed more light gathering >> > ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds. >> > >> > I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of >> > DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films. >> > >> > Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave >> about? >> > For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower >> ISO and a >> > tripod. >> > >> > Tom C. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next >> camera(s) >> >> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO >> >>> >> >> performance >> >> >> >>> (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c). >> >>> >> >> Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's >> >> been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate >> >> >> > >from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example. >> > >> >> Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK. >> >> >> >> BTW: >> >> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=25298198 >> >> ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> >> follow the directions. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Remember, it’s pillage then burn. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
