Agreed, and I'm one of those available darkness Tri-X heads. Even 3200 on the D 
and DS is better than film (I'd rate it similar to most films at 1600).

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
> Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. 
> It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that 
> both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film 
> I've ever used. It's worth raving about.
> 
> Tom C wrote:
>> With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?...
>>
>> I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any 
>> day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO 
>> performance at 1600 and above.  I find any photo I take at 1600 or higher 
>> with the *ist D to be, while documentary, not worth a heck of alot 
>> otherwise. I am loathe to set ISO over 800.
>>
>> Thinking back to film, I rarely shot anything over 400, and many times I was 
>> pushing 100 two stops to get 400.  When I needed more light gathering 
>> ability the camera was on a tripod and I used longer shutter speeds.
>>
>> I wouldn't mind that at all because I find the high ISO performance of 
>> DSLR's to be no more desirable than the performance of high ISO films.
>>
>> Who *seriously* shoots at ISO1600+ and gets results they would rave about?  
>> For my kind of photgraphy it doesn't work near as well as a lower ISO and a 
>> tripod.
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)
>>> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT)
>>>
>>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>> Not only an old sensor, but one with extremely poor high ISO
>>>>       
>>> performance
>>>     
>>>> (it's the Sensor Kodak used in the DCS14n, DCS/n and DCS/c).
>>>>       
>>> Well they may have improved it since then: The data sheet shows it's
>>> been revised, January 2007 -- they've nearly doubled the frame rate
>>>     
>> >from 1.7 fps to 3 fps, for example.
>>   
>>> Not that it has any bearing on Pentax, AFAIK.
>>>
>>> BTW:
>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=25298198
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
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