On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 16/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> You would have been just as well served with the SMC T 17mm f 4.0,  
>> and
>> could have avoided surgery, (you beast).
>
> I dislike the focus ring on these lenses. I prefer the later rubber  
> grips.

Having bought a Fish-Eye-Takumar 17/4 after enjoying Cotty's K17/4 FE  
so much, I have to agree with him. The two lenses are near as nothing  
to identical performance-wise, but the K17/4 FE is nicer to use.

Beauty shots of L1 with both of them:
   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PANL1-17MM/

The minor advantage of the M42 lens is that it has an A/M switch on  
it, so you can have it stopped down to optimum aperture (f/7.1 to f/8  
by my testing) and flip it from wide open to stopped down with the  
flick of a switch for focusing then metering and exposure. But most  
of the time I focus by zone and just leave the switch in the M  
position, with the lens stopped down.

Godfrey

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