LOL Btw, there's a nice book dealing with the "tornado-made 747" in a more logical way: "climbing mount improbable" by Richard Dawkins.
Jostein 2007/6/14, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The designer was randomly designed? > I'm outa here ;-) > > Tim Typo > Mostly Harmless > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: Global warming was: The Nine-spotted > > > > The "intelligent design" hypothesis has repeatedly tried to hold up > > examples of irreducible complexity as signatures of a sentient, and > > necessarily divine creator. > > > > One thing they repeatedly fail to take into consideration is that the > > precursors of the traits they look at may have evolved for other > > purposes than the present. The bacterium flagella held up by Michael > > Behe is afaik the latest example of just that. In many organisms, > > however, one finds the molecular components that make up the flagella > > applied for other purposes, and the combination of the components > > isn't as big a step up as Behe argues. > > > > Another thing they don't consider is that an organ can have an > > evolutionary advantage in simpler forms than the present. The > > mammalian eye used to be a favourite example; that if you took away > > any of the parts of the eye it wouldn't work, and ipso facto it must > > have been created, not evolved. Not so, because even the most > > primitive photoreceptors would give an advantage to those who posessed > > them over those who didn't. In addition, there is the fact that there > > are many different eye constructions out there, all quite advanced in > > today's organisms. The insect/arthropod eye with all its facets, the > > vertebrate eyes (quite different between fish and say, whales, but > > still sharing many anatomical features). Arguably, the most advanced > > eye belongs not to a vertrabrate, but to an octopus. For example, the > > octopus eye does not have a blind spot like all vertebrate eyes have. > > > > Ultimately, the concept of a designer also begs the question of who > > designed the designer. > > > > Jostein > > > > > > > > Michael Behe is another die-hard in that camp, but > > 2007/6/14, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> Noted British Astonomer Fred Hoyle wrote (note I'm using this as an > >> example > >> of a noted and respected scientist, not that I agree with everything he > >> says > >> or that he's always correct... who is?) > >> > >> "if one proceeds directly and straightforwardly in this matter, without > >> being deflected by a fear of incurring the wrath of scientific opinion, > >> one > >> arrives at the conclusion that biomaterials with their amazing measure or > >> order must be the outcome of intelligent design." > >> > >> Hoyle calculated that the chance of obtaining the required set of enzymes > >> for even the simplest living cell was one in 10 *40,000 power. Since the > >> number of atoms in the known universe is infinitesimally tiny by > >> comparison > >> (10 *80 power), he argued that even a whole universe full of primordial > >> soup > >> wouldn't have a chance. He claimed: The notion that not only the > >> biopolymer > >> but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance > >> in > >> a primordial organic soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a > >> high > >> order. > >> > >> Hoyle compared the random emergence of even the simplest cell to the > >> likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a > >> Boeing 747 from the materials therein." Hoyle also compared the chance of > >> obtaining even a single functioning protein by chance combination of > >> amino > >> acids to a solar system full of blind men solving Rubik's Cube > >> simultaneously. > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom C. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> [email protected] > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ > > http://alunfoto.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 13.06.2007 > > 12:50 > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
