We went thru this before. You have a very short memory. There are tons of K/M lenses in use, just look at How many are being SOLD ( not going unsold ) at ebay. Far more than A/F/FA combined. People buy and use these. They are not obsolete by the definition of obsolete Shown. They havent been outmoded or discarded like Say, typewriters have been due to word processing. That's what obsolete means. jco
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:55 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey Actually, #1 applies. While millions of K/M lenses were produced in their heyday, they are NOT in general use. In fact they're fairly rare to see in use these days. Millions of cars were produced in the same time period as the K/M lenses, how many do you see today? Nikon lenses are the most common for you to see today of lenses produced during that time period, and even then, you're far more likely to see modern Nikon kit than someone shooting with Nikon MF gear (Note that Nikon still sells AI-S lenses and an MF body, unlike Pentax, which no longer sells K/M lenses). #2 also applies, with the lack of linear aperture and electronic aperture communication, they are of an outmoded type, and their discontinuation indicates they are of a discarded type (by the manufacturer). -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: > OBSOLETE: > 1. no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression. > > 2. of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date: an obsolete battleship. > > 3. (of a linguistic form) no longer in use, esp., out of use for at > least the past century. Compare archaic. > 4. effaced by wearing down or away. > > Pentax K/M lenses (millions of them) do not fall into any > Of these defintions. > jco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Adam Maas > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:03 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > I have done so in the past. Linear aperture stopdown and the > communication of absolute aperture information does make the older > lenses obsolete. It doesn't render them non-functional. > > -Adam > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: > >>You better look up the word obsolete again. >>jco >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of > >>Adam Maas >>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:53 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: The JCO survey >> >>That's essentially my point. Apart from some specialty lenses that >>remained available until very recently (And may still be from >>distributors with stock), K/M lenses have been obsolete for 15 years. >> >>And I do mean obsolete. The addition of electronic coupling and linear > > >>aperture with the KA mount did render the older K lenses obsolete. Not > > >>to mention the A versions have updated optics that are generally >>superior to their K/M counterparts. >> >>I'm damned glad that Pentax chose to give us any metering capability >>with K/M lenses. I'd like to see an aperture simulator, and consider > > it > >>a must for a flagship body (Because the price difference is less >>relevant on a $2000+ body, and a Flagship should offer capabilities > > the > >>other bodies don't, other than just build and speed) but I'm willing > > to > >>settle with the kludge for sub-$1000 bodies, secure in the awareness >>that Pentax isn't likely to discontinue any more features until > > they've > >>got a solid amount of electronicly-actuated aperture lenses on the >>market (Which won't happen anytime soon, as these haven't even been >>introduced yet, although I've got my suspicions that it may show up in > > >>the next couple of years). >> >>-Adam >> >> >>Shel Belinkoff wrote: >> >> >>>And for how long should they, or any company, support a product they >> >>no >> >> >>>longer manufacture or sell? At some point there's got to be an end to >> >>it. >> >> >>>And, once again, how much of the Pentax gear that you own did you buy >> >>new? >> >> >>>How much new Pentax gear have you purchased? (Note: these are two >>>different questions) >>> >>>Shel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>[Original Message] >>>>From: J. C. O'Connell >>> >>>>Because its cheap and easy and they >>>>Sold millions of them. Its called customer support. DUH. >>>>jco >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>Adam Maas >>> >>>>Why should they support what they don't sell? >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
