I think I covered that in my post, and I know when it was introduced I used to have one.
Adam Maas wrote: >Note the last body introduced with an aperture simulator was the MZ-S. >The MZ-M is an older body remaining in either hsort-run production or >stocks. It was introduced almost 10 years ago. > >-Adam > > >P. J. Alling wrote: > > >>Pentax wrote it off in the Semi Pro bodies only with the introduction of >>the *ist and *ist-D. This is very recent, in fact they still supported >>it on what is a current model MZ/ZX-M, though admittedly probably no >>longer in full production, it is still considered a current model. >>(http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/product--ZX-M/reqID--5004/subsection--film_slr) >> >>The MZ/ZX-M is in any way you look at their ultimate entry level camera >>at this time. It would be silly not to include in this case but in many >>ways it's just as silly not to support it on newer top level models. If >>the K10D included support for aperture simulator, I'd buy one tomorrow >>rather than waiting for the price to drop. >> >>Adam Maas wrote: >> >> >> >>>No, there is nothing to prevent it being re-implemented. But the Camera >>>makers in the position to do so (Nikon and Pentax, the only two of major >>>makers stillusing their MF mount) have written it off on consumer and >>>semi-pro bodies a number of years ago. This happened in the film era, >>>we've actually got more functionality on the Pentax DSLR's than on many >>>recent film bodies (*ist, MZ-30/50/60, many more on the Nikon side). >>> >>>Would I like to see the Aperture Simulator return? Hell Yes. Do I expect >>>it? Not unless Pentax makes a K1D. Can I live without it? Most Assuredly. >>> >>>-Adam >>> >>> >>> >>>J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Bullshit. There is nothing to prevent its implementation >>>>In the future, either by Pentax or other camera makers >>>>Using the PK mount. >>>>jco >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>Adam Maas >>>>Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:45 AM >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? >>>> >>>>Because it ain't shit. >>>> >>>>The green button hack is one of the reasons I bought the K100D to >>>>replace my D50. Some metering is better than no metering. And that's the >>>> >>>>choice we're faced with. >>>> >>>>The Aperture Simulator is dead. Deal With It. Those of us who shoot with >>>> >>>>K glass and the DSLR's are doing just fine. >>>> >>>>-Adam >>>> >>>> >>>>J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Why settle for shit for no reason? >>>>>Glass is still definitely half empty. >>>>>jco >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Tim Øsleby >>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:27 AM >>>>>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >>>>>Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? >>>>> >>>>>I stand corrected, silly me. My perception is obviously wrong >>>>>[slapping myself happily over forehead]. >>>>> >>>>>The glass is half empty, not half full. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tim >>>>>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>J. >>>>>C. O'Connell >>>>>Sent: 8. oktober 2006 17:03 >>>>>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >>>>>Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? >>>>> >>>>>No, an "extra bonus" on a $1000 top line camera would be >>>>>A camera that could read the PK PKM lens aperture setting. That this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Not done is ridiculous as its friggin SIMPLE to implement... >>>>>Semi automanual manual is good but it aint open aperture AE >>>>>With PK PKM, while is very possible but still is not done. >>>>>jco >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Tim Øsleby >>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:46 AM >>>>>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' >>>>>Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? >>>>> >>>>>Welcome onboard David. >>>>> >>>>>I had exactly the same thoughts as you about metering manual lenses >>>>>before I >>>>>tried it. In real life, it is no problem. After 15 minutes using it, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>will get used to it. >>>>>In high speed situation you must think a bit ahead, watching at the >>>>>light. >>>>>If lighting changes you need to re push the button every now and then >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>make sure to get the exposure right before the decisive moment. >>>>> >>>>>Lack of matrix metering is a bit frustrating. But in most situations >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>can >>>>>get around it using the histogram fine tuning the exposure. It's the >>>>>same as >>>>>the green button thing. You need to think a bit ahead, being prepared >>>>>for >>>>>the decisive moment. >>>>> >>>>>But what can you expect. Consider the ability to use old lenses as an >>>>>extra >>>>>bonus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tim >>>>>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>David Bliss >>>>>Sent: 8. oktober 2006 10:01 >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Subject: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? >>>>> >>>>>Hi all, >>>>> >>>>>I'm new to the list but I've been reading the archives for the last >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>few >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>weeks so hopefully I will not make too much of a fool of myself. I'm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>long >>>>>time amateur user of Pentax 35mm film gear about to buy my first DSLR. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>was >>>>>minutes away from buying a K100D when the K10D was announced... >>>>> >>>>>I have a lot of manual-aperture K-mount glass, so being able to use it >>>>>on >>>>>a new DSLR is important to me. I know there are workarounds for using >>>>>such on the K100D but they're pretty bad (metering on DOF-preview only >>>>>and/or manually setting aperture to match the lens's). >>>>> >>>>>The dpreview page >>>>>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page2.asp) >>>>>and a few other verbatim copies thereof explicitly says >>>>>"Ability to use lens aperture ring" so I was very excitted to think >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Pentax would have finally fixed this (idiotic) design error on the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>K10D. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>But, the press photos of the K10D clearly show an absence of a >>>>>mechanical >>>>>aperture coupling lever. And the (mis)released manual from a couple >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>days ago documents the same behavior as the K100D. Can anyone confirm >>>>>this for sure one was or the other? >>>>> >>>>>Also, can anyone explain to me why the K100D (and apparently the K10D) >>>>>disable >>>>>(a) non-central AF sensors (for focus confirmation, not AF, obviously) >>>>>and >>>>>(b) all the metering modes except CWA when using a pre-A lens? I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>cannot >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>conceive of any possible reason these features would care about the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>lens >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>aperture being set manually. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks! >>>>>David Bliss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
