Cite all the figures you want, $1000 per pound is still way off the mark. The numbers I cited for transporting cars on pallets where from Detroit to Christ Church New Zealand. It was approximagely $25 per pound, two cars, 8000 pounds. Difficult loading and unloading constraints. Extra precautions and heavy insurance, since the cars were for a two million dollar commercial shoot. Nowhere, no how, does it cost $1000 per pound to move anything, save perhaps cocaine from Columbia. Paul On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> John Francis wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 12:40:13PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> >>> Don Williams wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've been watching this thread for a while and can no longer be >>>> silent. >>>> This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in ages. I just >>>> did two >>>> calculations for 4000 kgs and 2000 kgs of cartons (holding about >>>> twenty >>>> cameras each) across the Atlantic from Toivakka to New York -- >>>> door to >>>> door. >>>> >>>> The TNT Air Freight cost would be 22.97 Euro per kilogram for a >>>> shipment >>>> of boxes that total 4000 kgs. If anyone doesn't believe this go >>>> to the >>>> TNT website and do the calculation yourself. I think 4000 kgs is >>>> a large >>>> quantity. Yes? Or is the poster (I can't remember who posted the >>>> original rubbish) going to say 4000 kgs is not a large enough >>>> quantity. >>>> By the way *the more you send* the cheaper it gets! >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I said large quantities, and I meant it. I'm talking by the multiple >>> containerload. 747-400F's are relatively cheap to operate, the >>> larger >>> freight aircraft aren't so cheap, and are rather limited >>> availability >>> (which drives up the price). >>> >>> >> >> They're still cheaper to operate than passenger aircraft, pound >> for pound. >> Passengers demand expensive, heavy, support equipment (seats, >> crew, etc.) >> And if any one of a dozen airlines can ship me and my luggage >> across the >> Atlantic (business class) at a cost well under $100/lb round trip, >> and make >> money when the plane is loaded to less than half capacity, there >> is simply >> no way it costs orders of magnitude more to ship air freight. >> >> > > Other way around actually. Passenger Aircraft are cheaper to operate, > and longer ranged. Take the Passenger and Freight versions of the > 747-400ER. The Passenger version can move between 416 and 524 > passengers > depending on configuration, plus 4800-5600 cu ft of > freight/baggage(Based on passenger configuration) 14,205km in one go. > The Freighter version can move 112 tons, with a aggregate total of > 31,967 cu ft of space (less for palletized cargo, which is the typical > method of shipment) but only has a range of 9200km, or it can carry > 123 > tons of a similar sized cargo for greatly reduced range. It does use > approximately 6500 gallons less fuel in a max range flight, but that's > 10% or so less fuel to go more than 30% less far (Freighter has 57,285 > US gallons capacity to the 63,705 gallons the passenger version > carries) > . And fuel is the primary operating cost for aircraft. So you've > got at > a minimum a 30% efficiency advantage here, and quite possibly more > (Due > to palletization, which costs max load and size in favour of > significantly enhanced speed). Note that most small air freight > goes via > passenger aircraft, one reason why it's much cheaper. > >> Perhaps you confused price per tonne with price per kg? >> >> > Possible, I don't have the reference I was using handy. > >> >> Another point to consider: FedEx ship air freight across the country >> (using their own dedicated L1011s and other similar aircraft). I >> assume >> they make money on the deal - they've been doing this for many >> years now - >> and they sure don't charge anywhere near what you've been suggesting. >> >> >> >> > Of course not, they're barely going 3000 miles and typically far less, > instead of 2-3x times that, with much more cargo per lb of fuel since > they are using aircraft with intercontinental range, allowing much > less > than max fuel loads at Maximum Takeoff Weight. I'd be shocked if their > cost was even $5/lb for short ranges (Note the same goes for air > freight > from South America, which, while higher cost than within the US > proper, > isn't going to approach the cost of flying Japan-US by even a close > margin). > > -Adam > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
