Well said, Godfrey. This goes in my keepers file.
Paul
On Jul 4, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Yes, of course you don't want to go beyond the sensor's saturation
> point in areas where you want detail. But "protecting" an exposure by
> underexposure is the wrong methodology. It's difficult to explain
> without some graphs to make it more intelligible, that's why I
> recommend reading Bruce's first two chapters. He did a great job. But
> I'll try.
>
> ---
> A digital sensor is a photon counter. It simply counts up the amount
> of light falling on a photosite's unit area in the time of exposure
> and reports that number. As such, it is a linear gamma device ...
> unlike the human eye or film, intensity values in a scene are simply
> represented by that linear count of photons falling on the photosite
> array.
>
> The saturation limit happens when the sensor runs out of numbers ...
> in the case of the sensor used in the Pentax DSLRs, it can count from
> zero to 4095, 12bits of quantization ... which depends upon how much
> light energy is falling on the sensor, how much loss is embedded in
> the photosite's design, and how much time the photosite is exposed.
> This all conspires together to place saturation on a hard edge ...
> the number 4090 is not saturated, the number 4095 is because you
> cannot record the number 4096.
>
> By that we've established what "saturation" means. The next thing to
> understand is how RAW data relates to a tonal scale that makes sense
> to our eyes.
>
> One of the basic operations performed by RAW Conversion is to do a
> gamma correction on the captured data ... By this is meant that the
> linear capture of the digital sensor is transformed to re-place the
> light values in the characteristic curve of human vision's
> sensitivity and perception. The human eye perceives fewer differences
> between bright values and greater differences between dark values
> than the sensor by comparison. So the high values recorded by the
> sensor are compressed together ... values that are insignificantly
> different in perception are thrown out ... where the low values are
> expanded ... values that are crowded too close together are
> interpolated/stretched to fit the range required.
>
> Now, if you consider a linear scale of numbers recorded by the sensor
> as a binary representation, you'll see that the half the total amount
> of exposure falling on the sensor is stored in the last bit of
> representable numbers. Half again is stored in the next bit down.
> Half again is stored in the next bit down after that. What this means
> is that, in the range of the sensor's linear number scale, the
> midpoint of exposure to our eye (call it Zone V) is NOT in the middle
> of the scale, it's actually down around the 1/8 point in the linear
> scale. So all the tonal values that make up the important range from
> Zone II to Zone V are smashed together in the bottom end of the
> sensor curve, and most of the data values that take up more than 3/4
> of the scale are insignificant to human perception. If you
> underexpose the scene, more interpolation and expansion of that small
> part of the scale must be performed to fit the data to the proper
> perceivable range, which has as its byproduct noise and ambiguity in
> the Zone II to V range through round-off error.
>
> What this means to a photographer making an exposure evaluation is
> that the photographer should consider the linear capture qualities of
> the sensor. If you pick the brightest points in a scene, the points
> of specular reflection for instance, you want to place your maximum
> exposure so that they are just AT the 4095 data value threshold ...
> this is hard because you can't see when you go over with them. So you
> look at the Zone IX values, the brightest parts of the exposure where
> you want to retain detail, and try to keep the values in a capture of
> those points to somewhere in the range of value 3686 (around 210-220
> in 8bit data), and leave the other values to fall where they may. If
> you look at a scene after capture with the histogram display on the
> camera, this kind of exposure will "crowd the right" ... The goal in
> doing it is to capture as much distinct data as possible without
> saturating the important detail areas.
>
> In processing, you place the gamma correction curve to handle a given
> scene's exposure by adjusting the white clippint point (exposure),
> the brightness and contrast (essentially, it moves the nodal point of
> the gamma correction and the angular relationship of the resulting
> curve inflection) and then the black clipping point (the point at
> which you decide where the differences between low values are purely
> ambiguous and insignificant). Exposing as much as possible without
> saturation means you have more data at the low end to expand through
> interpolation with the least round-off error and noise.
>
> Regarding the current Pentax *ist D series cameras currently
> available, I'll use the *ist DS as my specific example but I believe
> the same is true for all of them:
>
> The *ist DS is set by default for Auto Picture exposure automation
> with JPEG *** fine quality, using a Bright color tone and intended to
> produce a snappy, pleasing image for a 4x6 inch print. What this
> means is that the in-camera RAW conversion algorithm is tuned to that
> output, and the meter is calibrated to produce results compatible
> with that algorithm. The *ist DS does NOT change the meter
> calibration curve when the user takes control of the rendering engine
> and requests a RAW file as output. The difference in output
> requirements is critical: the default JPEG *** rendering and Bright
> color tone means that meter calibration has to be set optimistic to
> suppress highlight saturation with the embedded RAW conversion.
> Switching to RAW capture and using the meter's default calibration
> results underexposure because RAW format data has more stops of
> overhead before saturation values are reached at the sensor. With a
> customized RAW calibration curve, you can obtain better data with
> more exposure on the 12bit capture. So I find that my average
> exposure compensation when capturing RAW format runs +0.3 to +0.7 EV,
> without saturating highlights, and allows much cleaner, lower noise
> data in the critical Zone II to Zone V range.
> ----
>
> I hope that helps. I'm not as good at explaining this stuff as Bruce.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Godfrey,
>> You've got to explain this.
>> Digital sensors can't give any detail in overexposed highlights.
>> You can recover details in underexposed areas with post processing.
>> So don't you want to avoid blown highlights at all costs?
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On 7/4/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Sensors respond to light differently compared to film. Chapters one
>>> and two of Bruce Fraser's "Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop CS2"
>>> explains why there is a difference. As a result, exposure evaluation
>>> requires a different mindset and different settings. JPEG and slide
>>> film, although they are different, generally end up taking about the
>>> same exposure.
>>>
>>> However, underexposing in RAW by 0.3-0.5 EV is exactly the wrong way
>>> to go. In general, with the *ist DS, I find my average exposure for
>>> RAW capture requires +0.3-0.7 EV additional exposure compared to JPEG
>>> or slide film.
>
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