Tom,

Having high quality photos in the PUG is a good idea.
Perhaps quality has declined since we went digital.
It is easier to make a casual post to the PUG now,
just resize and upload versus the process before.

Somehow this doesn't square with the declining submissions.
I think the PUG suffers from too many PESO's.
Folks use this outlet instead of the PUG.
I would rather that they use the PUG because
the PESO comments are very disorganized.
They trickle in over days and weeks causing me to reload photos.
I can keep the PUG comments in one place and review at one time.

I think it's admirable to talk about raising quality levels, but I
remember the PUG discussions 3-5 years ago about rating photos (NO!)
and I can imagine the uproar the idea of setting 2 or 3 judges up as
gatekeepers for the Gallery.  It would go something like "Who the hell
are these a**holes who are gonna tell me my picture is or isn't good
enough to be included."

That's why I suggested a new gallery of The PDML's Best.  Let folks
nominate photos to a best gallery.  Those are my thoughts.

And by the way, shouldn't we give folks like you who can walk out
their door to spectacular scenery a handicap in any kind of gallery
like this.  You can only use jpegs or medium quality or something...
:-)  Maybe Bill Robb can help here.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/23/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >So Tom,
> >1)  If you've got this thing for a Pentax Photo Contest Gallery,
> >why don't you start one?  If people like it, the gallery will grow.
> >I'll contribute, so would many others.
> >2)  Please tell me what distinguished this gallery from all the others
> >available to post your photos on across the web?
> >3)  No matter how I slice this, it comes off like your trying to kill the
> >PUG.
> >Regards,  Bob S.
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> 1) I don't think anyone was suggesting a contest gallery, per se.  There's a
> subtle differentiation.  A contest involves winners and losers, usually a
> limited number of winners.  What I believe has been suggested is that there
> be some criteria for making it into the gallery and that a select number of
> people would decide whether a photo was included or not.  The number of
> inclusions could be unlimited.
>
> I find it interesting to contemplate that apparently some would not like
> others deciding whether their photo was 'good enough' to be in the gallery,
> but apparently wouldn't mind submitting a picture to the gallery that may be
> somewhat lacking, and then are willing to elicit negative comments or
> constructive criticism about said same photo.
>
> It goes back to asking what a gallery is.  Is it a showcase or simply a
> photo sharing mechanism?
>
> I actually did think of starting one.  My problem is I'm either so
> busy/lazy/procrastinating that I don't even have my own private gallery
> created even though I started on it 6 month ago. :-(
>
> 2) Having joined the PDML and having Pentax equipment, it was the first I
> came across.
>
> 3) I'm not trying to kill the PUG.  I am however suggesting ideas to improve
> the quality of entries displayed.  It boils down to this simple suggestion.
> If one just wants to share an interesting or fun picture, then by all means
> show the list with a PAW or PESO or GESO.  If one thinks after careful
> consideration that they have a really good photo that is successful both
> technically and compositionally, then consider that one worthy of display in
> the gallery.
>
> As you can see I'm not jamming this down anyone's throats.  I just haven't
> dropped it yet. :-)
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
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