I see the PUG as a totally different outlet than the PESO. PUG is very strict on timing and content (once a month, one image, specific theme) and PESO is more reflective of our shooting. If I go on a trip somewhere, I am going to shoot what there is in the area, not a PUG theme, and it is entirely possible to get more than one good image in a month that I would like to share. What if it is a mini gallery or something? That can't be handled by the PUG. So PESO/GESO becomes a much more timely, meaningful method of sharing.
Another issue that no one has brought up, is that even in it's heyday, PUG comments were a problem. The gallery was too big to comment on in a meaningful way. Many photos got no comments, many comments were trite and a few people had to spend hours trying to comment on everything. The real nicety to a PESO is that it is just one photo, that many can take a moment to look at and maybe comment. I'm not advocating getting rid of PUG, but it is not the perfect vehicle to service all of our photographic outlets. -- Bruce Friday, June 23, 2006, 3:32:22 PM, you wrote: BS> Tom, BS> Having high quality photos in the PUG is a good idea. BS> Perhaps quality has declined since we went digital. BS> It is easier to make a casual post to the PUG now, BS> just resize and upload versus the process before. BS> Somehow this doesn't square with the declining submissions. BS> I think the PUG suffers from too many PESO's. BS> Folks use this outlet instead of the PUG. BS> I would rather that they use the PUG because BS> the PESO comments are very disorganized. BS> They trickle in over days and weeks causing me to reload photos. BS> I can keep the PUG comments in one place and review at one time. BS> I think it's admirable to talk about raising quality levels, but I BS> remember the PUG discussions 3-5 years ago about rating photos (NO!) BS> and I can imagine the uproar the idea of setting 2 or 3 judges up as BS> gatekeepers for the Gallery. It would go something like "Who the hell BS> are these a**holes who are gonna tell me my picture is or isn't good BS> enough to be included." BS> That's why I suggested a new gallery of The PDML's Best. Let folks BS> nominate photos to a best gallery. Those are my thoughts. BS> And by the way, shouldn't we give folks like you who can walk out BS> their door to spectacular scenery a handicap in any kind of gallery BS> like this. You can only use jpegs or medium quality or something... BS> :-) Maybe Bill Robb can help here. BS> Regards, Bob S. BS> On 6/23/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >So Tom, >> >1) If you've got this thing for a Pentax Photo Contest Gallery, >> >why don't you start one? If people like it, the gallery will grow. >> >I'll contribute, so would many others. >> >2) Please tell me what distinguished this gallery from all the others >> >available to post your photos on across the web? >> >3) No matter how I slice this, it comes off like your trying to kill the >> >PUG. >> >Regards, Bob S. >> >> Hi Bob, >> >> 1) I don't think anyone was suggesting a contest gallery, per se. There's a >> subtle differentiation. A contest involves winners and losers, usually a >> limited number of winners. What I believe has been suggested is that there >> be some criteria for making it into the gallery and that a select number of >> people would decide whether a photo was included or not. The number of >> inclusions could be unlimited. >> >> I find it interesting to contemplate that apparently some would not like >> others deciding whether their photo was 'good enough' to be in the gallery, >> but apparently wouldn't mind submitting a picture to the gallery that may be >> somewhat lacking, and then are willing to elicit negative comments or >> constructive criticism about said same photo. >> >> It goes back to asking what a gallery is. Is it a showcase or simply a >> photo sharing mechanism? >> >> I actually did think of starting one. My problem is I'm either so >> busy/lazy/procrastinating that I don't even have my own private gallery >> created even though I started on it 6 month ago. :-( >> >> 2) Having joined the PDML and having Pentax equipment, it was the first I >> came across. >> >> 3) I'm not trying to kill the PUG. I am however suggesting ideas to improve >> the quality of entries displayed. It boils down to this simple suggestion. >> If one just wants to share an interesting or fun picture, then by all means >> show the list with a PAW or PESO or GESO. If one thinks after careful >> consideration that they have a really good photo that is successful both >> technically and compositionally, then consider that one worthy of display in >> the gallery. >> >> As you can see I'm not jamming this down anyone's throats. I just haven't >> dropped it yet. :-) >> >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
