> > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/03/08 Wed PM 03:02:04 GMT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: which camera to buy? > > With all the quotes and quotes of quotes, top posting and bottom posting, > it's impossible to follow anyway. > > For the time being, and for some time into the future, there will be plenty > of manual ~and~ auto focus lenses available which can be used on the > current crop of Pentax DSLR bodies. Those who wish to use lenses with > aperture controls on them can certainly do so. Those who prefer to use > lenses where the aperture is controlled by the body only, certainly have > that option. Those who wish to take the middle ground can, IIRC, use the > A-series of lenses, which will allow manual aperture control or control > from the body (please correct me if I'm wrong). > > Those who wish to use only lenses with aperture control have enough choices > that it's a simple matter to do so. And those same people will probably be > dead by the time there are no longer any lenses to use in such a fashion. > > I'm probably one of the last people to embrace new technology, regardless > of what it is, and, FWIW, I just don't see a problem using lenses without > aperture controls, especially if there are lenses with aperture controls > still available so that a choice can be made. > > And Mike Wilson, playing with a camera for a few minutes, even for a few > hours, really doesn't give you the chance to fully get used to the system > and the feel of the camera/lens combination. At least that's the way it is > for me. Time, and exposure to different shooting situations, is really the > best way to decide what's right for you. At least, that's how it's been in > my case. > > Shel
I agree with you completely. But it's all I could afford..... 8-) > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Stenquist > > > This version of the thread -- an aperture ring flame war -- is quite > > amusing. > > > On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > > > John Forbes wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:15:22 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> John Forbes wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:14:50 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> John Forbes wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:07:21 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis > > >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, John Forbes wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:57:31 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis > > >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Vic MacBournie wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, your best bet in the istd if you want to > > >>>>>>>>>> duplicate the quality of the MZs. It is not up to MZ-S > > >>>>>>>>>> standards but it's not too far behind. I have both and find > > >>>>>>>>>> the build quality comparable... > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I forgot: the interface is also different; on the -S you set > > >>>>>>>>> the aperture from the lens, on the -D (all of them) this is > > >>>>>>>>> only possible in Manual mode (which reverts to HyperManual). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> This is rather misleading. You set the aperture on the camera > > >>>>>>>> body, unless the lens is a K or M lens, in which case you set > > >>>>>>>> it on the lens, with the body set to manual mode. There > > >>>>>>>> have been endless fruitless discussions on the merits of > > >>>>>>>> setting the aperture on the body versus setting it on the > > >>>>>>>> lens, but even the die-hards get used quite quickly to doing > > >>>>>>>> it on the body. The only people for whom this is an still > > >>>>>>>> issue is people who are still using film, and have no idea > > >>>>>>>> what they are missing. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> My description was very accurate; find a hole. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Your description is a sieve. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> What you wrote is inaccurate. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> You're either a comedian or a politician in the mould of Blair. > > >>>>>> See below. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On the -Digis you can set the aperture on the lens provided > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> it has a ring (so this is not limited to M/Ks). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> No, Kostas, you can't. When off the A setting, the camera will > > >>>>>> take the picture at full aperture, whatever you set the lens > > >>>>>> at (except in Manual mode). > > >>>>>> Now, read that again, and write it out fifty times. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I own and use > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> exclusively anymore two film cameras where you can set the > > >>>>>>> aperture on the body; the MZ-50 in particular is *very* > > >>>>>>> cumbersome from the lens, but I actually like its interface. > > >>>>>>> I thus did not make an argument as to better, I said > > >>>>>>> different. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I suggest you confine yourself to responding to questions you > > >>>>>> know something about. Limiting, I know, but better for your > > >>>>>> credibility in the long run. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> John > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm sorry, but Kostas is right. Your explanation indicated that > > >>>>> you could only change aperture with the ring with K/M lenses, > > >>>>> not only in Manual (the latter is correct for all but DA and FA > > >>>>> J lenses). > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Please re-read what I said, so that you understand it, and > > >>>> re-phrase what you said, so that I understand it. > > >>>> > > >>>> Kostas is making the mistake of thinking that the DSLRs work like > > >>>> certain film cameras that he knows. They don't. > > >>>> > > >>>> John > > >>>> > > >>> No, he's not. You're misunderstanding him or ignoring what he was > > >>> saying. He said it was possible to use the Aperture ring only in > > >>> Manual, and reverted to HyperManual. Which is correct for the D and > > >>> it's descendants (he does miss that you can meter via the DoF > > >>> preview and manually set shutter as well). > > >>> > > >>> You said, and I quote: > > >>> > > >>> "You set the aperture on the camera body, unless the lens is a K or > > >>> M lens, in which case you set it on the lens, with the body set > > >>> to manual mode." > > >>> > > >>> Which is incorrect for any lens other than a DA or D-FA lens, as any > > >>> lens with an aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the > > >>> aperture ring if you so choose(No reason to if it's not a K/M or > > >>> M42 lens, but you can). > > >>> > > >>> His description is more accurate for K mount lenses, as the Camera > > >>> will ignore the aperture ring setting in modes other than Manual > > >>> (M42 lenses, due to the lack of aperture coupling, will also work > > >>> correctly in Av, and will do Av in Tv and P modes). > > >> > > >> > > >> You are incorrect. Any lens with an aperture ring, in any mode other > > >> than manual, has to be used on A (assuming it has an A). If you set > > >> it to another setting, the shutter will fire (if allowed in the > > >> settings), but the LENS WILL NOT STOP DOWN. > > >> > > >> Read the bit in capitals. Then read it again. I am not going to > > >> repeat it. > > >> > > >> John > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Umm, perhaps you should read what I said, since you obviously didn't. > > > Which is what you are now repeating. Top quote "any lens with an > > > aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the aperture ring". > > > MANUAL MODE. NOT ANY OTHER MODE. Which is exactly what Kostas and I > > > have said. > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
