From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bob W wrote:
Italy? Which is the only part of the world the Church ever ruled. The
church was generally an adjunct to the state elsewhere.
It certainly was not. Read your history!
Bob
I have. On most issues the Church was subservient to the King of France,
the Holy Roman Emperor or the King of Spain (Explicitly so in Spain).
That's not to say that the Second Estate wasn't extremely influential, but
it certainly did not _RULE_ (Cardinal Richilieu aside). In Spain, after the
Reconquista, the Church was viewed as an arm of the state and very
explicitly so.
The reason it seems different was the common practice of giving nobles who
wouldn't inherit titles a religious title, while they went on to actually
serve their king.
Richilieu for example was primarily a French ruler, not a case of the
Church running France. He very clearly put France ahead of the church as a
whole.
-Adam
For nearly all practical purposes Cardinal Richelieu did rule France, but he
was not the ruler by title. He was Louis XIII's Chief Minister (Minister of
State).As you say, he did put France ahead of the church.
Lewis
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