I did say earlier that I would love to discuss religion but didn't want to bore everyone. Well, I'm weak. I've given in to temptation ...
Joe Zeff <ahnkna...@zeff.us> wrote: ... > And, I might add, that entire bit of "salvation by faith" is > completely foreign to Judaism. If you wish to earn Paradise, > you do it by following the Law; for us actions really do speak > louder than words. I was brought up in a "Reform" Jewish congregation and was taught by my rabbi that heaven and hell don't exist at all and there is no afterlife, i.e., no such thing as paradise - though he was very circumspect about how he phrased such thoughts, being careful not to offend believers who disagreed with him. I think it's probably safest to say XXX is foreign to the version of religion YYY that I was brought up in rather than to make blanket statements about Christianity, Judaism or Islam. For myself, I finally gave up religion altogether. My problem was not with the rabbi, whom I liked a lot, or the ethical precepts, which I thought were very good, but the supernaturalism. There are many versions of Christianity and Judaism that accept evolution, that are at least skeptical about miracles, and that emphasize ethics rather than ritual. But the concept of God leaves me cold. I have studied a lot of philosophy (went to grad school at the University of Illinois and did all the course work for a PhD in it) but, although I read a great deal on the subject, I never found an argument that convinced me that God exists. There are some things I can't see that I nevertheless believe in, like protons, electrons, magnetic fields, and the core of the earth. But I've got scientific reasons for believing in those. I haven't found any for believing in God and find the whole idea of a being who stands outside of the universe, is not subject to physical laws, but is able nevertheless to somehow create and influence physical reality by supernatural means - to be antithetical to all we have learned about the universe. I'm with Dawkins on that. He's a little abrasive and maybe more blunt than he should be, but I think he's got it right (See Richard Dawkins, _The God Delusion_.) Alan _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users