"I know this is likely a bit more than what I think you’re seeking here"-- -- nay say I; this is exactly why I'm so fortunate to be on this email thread
I have to clarify about (me) running Proxmox; it was Cisco engineer Greg Cooper that set it up for us along with our Ubiquiti network. I'll copy him on this thread in case he's not on this email list. I never heard of Proxmox till he informed me of it 3 years ago. He led our Jan.2022 online NLUG Zoom meetup showing quite an infrastructure. Now I want to read up on ovirt. I'm forever thankful to be free from Microsoft penitentiary. On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 11:55 AM Mark J. Bailey <[email protected]> wrote: > Latest XCP-NG 8.3, as you note Howard, does now include “XO Lite” web > admin builtin with each install. I guess they’re trying to compete with the > likes of ESXi in this regard. And IMHO, it’s long overdue! > > > > > > I always place a source build of the full-blown Xen Orchestra web > management tool on a VM at remote sites as well. Above you can see the new > XCenter-like layout that XO is adopting. I think it will be much better. > > > > Yes, I knew Proxmox was KVM. And I too wonder where Red Hat will go with > ovirt, though I admit I’ve not really ever considered it. In fact, I might > even try and load up an OpenStack set of nodes here soon too just for > grins. I also wonder if Ansible playbooks couldn’t be constructed to make > us of the Xen/Xensource API (‘xl’, ‘xm’ and ‘xe’ command line tools)? > > > > On a separate, but related note, I find it interesting that iX Systems > started out with K8s (Kubernetes Charts) in their Linux-based TrueNAS Scale > product for their “apps” (plugins) containers. Then switched to Docker > after a lot of customer pressure over compatibility, image offerings, etc. > And is now about to switch again to Incus for LXD-like LXC containers (and > I would guess they could layer Docker support therein maybe?). > > > > At any length, virtualization in the Linux world has certainly not been a > tosser! 😊 > > > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Howard Coles Jr. > *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2025 1:02 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [nlug] Quality Office phone equipment ? > > > > The only problem with XCP-NG is the lack of automation support (Ansible, > etc.) for deploys, decoms, etc. and legacy Linux VM support. (Not that I > blame them on that last one). I thought their setup was top notch, but it > doesn't seem like their community is growing as fast I initially thought it > was. > > ProxMox is really good, but it lacks a Load balancer (built in) to auto > migrate VMs based on CPU/RAM use. It also doesn't support snapshots on LVM > storage (what you'd have to use if you want truly shared SAN storage) and > that's a bummer. I'd love it if they had a wizard for migrating from other > KVM solutions as well, but so far it's just for VMware. I'm particularly > fond of the fact that it runs on Debian. > > However, proxmox and XCP-NG are a long way apart. Proxmox is a KVM > variant, XCP-NG is Xen based. Proxmox makes every hypervisor a manager > (love that part), XCP-NG has a separate Orchestra (Manager) although they > are working on a basic manager on the Hypervisor. XCP networking is > configured at the cluster level, but most of that for Proxmox is done on > each Hypervisor. The great thing about both is you can run 'em for free > and get the most of the features. My worry is that with Red Hat giving up > on ovirt > > On 3/19/25 08:41, Mark J. Bailey wrote: > > Proxmox and XCP-NG close cousins. I have intended to give Proxmox a try, > but just haven’t yet. Been using XCP-NG for YEARS and it seems to just > work. Really like the linux ‘xe’ command line API/toolstack interfacing > tools that go along with. And Xen Orchestra free-build is also very nice: > https://forums.lawrencesystems.com/t/how-to-build-xen-orchestra-from-sources-2024/19913 > > > > Just like with most any cloud VoIP service, you can pretty much use any > VoIP phone device with FreePBX. This client also uses Polycom VVX models > throughout. They did pay for the commercial endpoint manager to make it > easier to configure all the Polycoms. That was worth the $s. > > > > Good luck! > > > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Michael L > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2025 1:42 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [nlug] Quality Office phone equipment ? > > > > Thanks for the info, worth way more than 2 cents; I'm currently running > Proxmox on Debian. I'm up for a good to excuse to run another Debian based > VM. Sidenote: I read that Debian runs the London Stock Exchange. > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 4:11 PM Mark J. Bailey <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you go VoIP, a large client of mine deployed these at several branch > warehouses and their staff loves them. Multi-line and range is very good > too (at least in our experience). > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Yealink-Cordless-2-4-Inch-Display-Ethernet/dp/B076WVZY2P/ref=asc_df_B076WVZY2P?mcid=63c345a036213d048213694fafb91401&hvocijid=18301831829483853888-B076WVZY2P-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18301831829483853888&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1025990&hvtargid=pla-2281435180298&psc=1 > > > > What I like about ordering them off Amazon is the 30 day return (as, as > always, YMMV). 😊 > > > > Also, been having really decent luck so far running XCP-NG 8.3 ( > https://xcp-ng.org/) on a Beelink i3 minipc “host” at some of the remote > branches, with FreePBX 17 (https://freepbx.org/ - the free stuff only) > installed on a Debian 12 as one of the virtual machine (VM) “guests” on it. > > > > What’s nice to me about FreePBX being a VM is that I can manipulate the > FreePBX VM remotely (like snapshotting before upgrading, linux console > access, etc), as some of these branch offices are in other states. A > Beelink device is tiny yet solid, and is easily handling a small branch > office with 5-10 phones, no problem. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DF7FFN22?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 > > > > I know a lot folks like the cloud VoIP approach these days, but I still > like on-premise deployments. And you can pretty much “trunk” (link) a > FreePBX to any VoIP provider out there. > > > > I know this is likely a bit more than what I think you’re seeking here, > but it has been a solid approach for me. And it’s still all Linux (even the > Yealink)! 😊 > > > > My $0.02. > > > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Michael L > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 18, 2025 3:40 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [nlug] Quality Office phone equipment ? > > > > Yes, recommendations please. If I were to vent it would be about myself > not using Linux sooner. > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 3:06 PM 'Gibson Prichard' via NLUG < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I'm not 100% sure if you're asking for a recommendation or just venting, > but if it's the former, I'll suggest ClearlyIP as a VOIP provider. You can > bring your own VOIP handset, or use an analog terminal adapter (ATA) to > make an analog line if that's what you need. They include voice mail and a > mobile phone app that would allow someone to use the number from anywhere > (such as to return calls without disclosing a personal cell number via > caller ID). I use ClearlyIP with Polycom handsets, as well as with analog > adapters for the cases where that makes sense. > > There are lots of others out there, but I have had good results with them. > they also were some of the original minds behind FreePBX, the most widely > deployed FOSS phone system, running in Linux with Asterisk for call > management. If you have or want to install a FreePBX, they can help with > that as well. > > > > Gibson Prichard > > Nashville, TN > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 2:40 PM Michael L <[email protected]> > wrote: > > We still have land line phones at a couple locations and unfortunately > answering machines where we should have computer based voicemail. > > > > Had to replace a land line phone recently along with cordless; replacement > not getting the job done. > > > > Unifi Talk from Ubiquiti looks appealing to me (overall) since our (Cisco) > network engineer Greg Cooper hooked us up with Ubiquiti UDM-Pro firewalls / > VPN's .. yes you're welcome to tell me your thoughts on why you wouldn't > use Ubiquiti firewalls since they're not FOSS. Maybe in the future I'll go > with something besides Ubiquiti. 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