The only problem with XCP-NG is the lack of automation support (Ansible,
etc.) for deploys, decoms, etc. and legacy Linux VM support. (Not that
I blame them on that last one). I thought their setup was top notch,
but it doesn't seem like their community is growing as fast I initially
thought it was.
ProxMox is really good, but it lacks a Load balancer (built in) to auto
migrate VMs based on CPU/RAM use. It also doesn't support snapshots on
LVM storage (what you'd have to use if you want truly shared SAN
storage) and that's a bummer. I'd love it if they had a wizard for
migrating from other KVM solutions as well, but so far it's just for
VMware. I'm particularly fond of the fact that it runs on Debian.
However, proxmox and XCP-NG are a long way apart. Proxmox is a KVM
variant, XCP-NG is Xen based. Proxmox makes every hypervisor a manager
(love that part), XCP-NG has a separate Orchestra (Manager) although
they are working on a basic manager on the Hypervisor. XCP networking
is configured at the cluster level, but most of that for Proxmox is done
on each Hypervisor. The great thing about both is you can run 'em for
free and get the most of the features. My worry is that with Red Hat
giving up on ovirt
On 3/19/25 08:41, Mark J. Bailey wrote:
Proxmox and XCP-NG close cousins. I have intended to give Proxmox a
try, but just haven’t yet. Been using XCP-NG for YEARS and it seems to
just work. Really like the linux ‘xe’ command line API/toolstack
interfacing tools that go along with. And Xen Orchestra free-build is
also very nice:
https://forums.lawrencesystems.com/t/how-to-build-xen-orchestra-from-sources-2024/19913
Just like with most any cloud VoIP service, you can pretty much use
any VoIP phone device with FreePBX. This client also uses Polycom VVX
models throughout. They did pay for the commercial endpoint manager to
make it easier to configure all the Polycoms. That was worth the $s.
Good luck!
*From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Michael L
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2025 1:42 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [nlug] Quality Office phone equipment ?
Thanks for the info, worth way more than 2 cents; I'm currently
running Proxmox on Debian. I'm up for a good to excuse to run another
Debian based VM. Sidenote: I read that Debian runs the London Stock
Exchange.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 4:11 PM Mark J. Bailey <[email protected]> wrote:
If you go VoIP, a large client of mine deployed these at several
branch warehouses and their staff loves them. Multi-line and range
is very good too (at least in our experience).
https://www.amazon.com/Yealink-Cordless-2-4-Inch-Display-Ethernet/dp/B076WVZY2P/ref=asc_df_B076WVZY2P?mcid=63c345a036213d048213694fafb91401&hvocijid=18301831829483853888-B076WVZY2P-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18301831829483853888&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1025990&hvtargid=pla-2281435180298&psc=1
<https://www.amazon.com/Yealink-Cordless-2-4-Inch-Display-Ethernet/dp/B076WVZY2P/ref=asc_df_B076WVZY2P?mcid=63c345a036213d048213694fafb91401&hvocijid=18301831829483853888-B076WVZY2P-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18301831829483853888&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1025990&hvtargid=pla-2281435180298&psc=1>
What I like about ordering them off Amazon is the 30 day return
(as, as always, YMMV). 😊
Also, been having really decent luck so far running XCP-NG 8.3
(https://xcp-ng.org/) on a Beelink i3 minipc “host” at some of the
remote branches, with FreePBX 17 (https://freepbx.org/ - the free
stuff only) installed on a Debian 12 as one of the virtual machine
(VM) “guests” on it.
What’s nice to me about FreePBX being a VM is that I can
manipulate the FreePBX VM remotely (like snapshotting before
upgrading, linux console access, etc), as some of these branch
offices are in other states. A Beelink device is tiny yet solid,
and is easily handling a small branch office with 5-10 phones, no
problem.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DF7FFN22?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DF7FFN22?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1>
I know a lot folks like the cloud VoIP approach these days, but I
still like on-premise deployments. And you can pretty much “trunk”
(link) a FreePBX to any VoIP provider out there.
I know this is likely a bit more than what I think you’re seeking
here, but it has been a solid approach for me. And it’s still all
Linux (even the Yealink)! 😊
My $0.02.
*From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Michael L
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 18, 2025 3:40 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [nlug] Quality Office phone equipment ?
Yes, recommendations please. If I were to vent it would be about
myself not using Linux sooner.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 3:06 PM 'Gibson Prichard' via NLUG
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'm not 100% sure if you're asking for a recommendation or
just venting, but if it's the former, I'll suggest ClearlyIP
as a VOIP provider. You can bring your own VOIP handset, or
use an analog terminal adapter (ATA) to make an analog line if
that's what you need. They include voice mail and a mobile
phone app that would allow someone to use the number from
anywhere (such as to return calls without disclosing a
personal cell number via caller ID). I use ClearlyIP with
Polycom handsets, as well as with analog adapters for the
cases where that makes sense.
There are lots of others out there, but I have had good
results with them. they also were some of the original minds
behind FreePBX, the most widely deployed FOSS phone system,
running in Linux with Asterisk for call management. If you
have or want to install a FreePBX, they can help with that as
well.
Gibson Prichard
Nashville, TN
[email protected]
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 2:40 PM Michael L
<[email protected]> wrote:
We still have land line phones at a couple locations and
unfortunately answering machines where we should have
computer based voicemail.
Had to replace a land line phone recently along with
cordless; replacement not getting the job done.
Unifi Talk from Ubiquiti looks appealing to me (overall)
since our (Cisco) network engineer Greg Cooper hooked us
up with Ubiquiti UDM-Pro firewalls / VPN's .. yes you're
welcome to tell me your thoughts on why you wouldn't use
Ubiquiti firewalls since they're not FOSS. Maybe in the
future I'll go with something besides Ubiquiti. For right
now, we need a phone; I can temporarily try another phone
from Office Depot or elsewhere.
Thankful for NLUG
M
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