Yes, we have the same problem with Windows users.  People see the 'X',
and just disconnect, when they clearly meant to sign off.

The solution I would suggest is that you activate autologout in KDE
after the user is idle for some specified amount of time.  This
additionally would improve workstation security.  Here's a thread
about it, along with the suggested change:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/automatic-logout-after-inactivity-from-kde-293680/

If 10 minutes (600 seconds) is not sufficiently long for your users,
you could pick another value, though the longer the time, the less
security that option provides.

Unfortunately, a lot of this comes down to training.  Whatever the
issue is with hang upon xrdp disconnect, I think it's likely to follow
the application, not the desktop environment.

On akonadi, have you discovered the 'akonadictl' command?  That should
provide a way to get akonadi server to stop and never come back, at
least until an upgrade re-triggers it.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:24 PM Howard White <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Also great questions.
>
> The motivation for replacing KDE is that we find that, especially with
> CentOS 7, KDE sessions do not cleanly terminate when a user disconnects
> from xrdp.  I have created a Nagios check to look for such sessions that
> we may clear them.
>
> In the widget category, we recently discovered Akonadi was running with
> ever growing disk consumption for systems and users that aren't using
> these logins as true "desktop" clients.  I've gone through the set of
> servers and attempted to turn off Akonadi.
>
> The desired outcome(s):
> - that new server deployments are distributed with a GUI that doesn't
> hang on xrdp disconnect.  I grant you that I don't have any data as to
> whether or not XFCE plays better than KDE in this regard.
> - that we be able to cycle through our existing deployments and
> eliminate KDE as an unnecessary load factor.
>
> The good news is that of the client deployments, only a few are on the
> ragged edge of system resources.
>
> Howard
>
> On 7/8/20 4:11 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
> > It's only as lightweight as the number of widgets you opt to install with 
> > it.
> >
> > The question that I still have is what is the desired outcome?  What
> > are your requirements, and what is the goal and the purpose thereof?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:07 PM Howard White <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> More great suggestions, Tilghman.
> >>
> >> I truly think my biggest roadblock is that the system(s) in question are
> >> CentOS 7.[2,3] and don't really want to be updated to 7.8.  My trying to
> >> muck around with things yum only makes this worse.
> >>
> >> My progress with XFCE is useful.  That I may have to re-install a couple
> >> of things and readjust xrdp is par for the course.
> >>
> >> Last I heard, XFCE was lighter weight than Gnome anyway.
> >>
> >> Howard
> >>
> >> On 7/8/20 4:01 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
> >>> Another possible approach.  I know you're trying to convert, but the
> >>> key is to get the full list of packages.
> >>>
> >>> So you might start with a different guest, with GNOME-from-the-start,
> >>> and then grab a list of the packages, then grab the same list of
> >>> packages from your starting machine, and compare.
> >>>
> >>> On the machine you're trying to convert, add all the packages that
> >>> aren't already there.  You may still have some differences with
> >>> configuration, but that might get you to the point of a functional
> >>> GNOME.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 2:46 PM Howard White <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Follow up from the western front...
> >>>>
> >>>> Tilghman's suggestion of getting <whatever> to work before removing KDE
> >>>> was good advice.  Gnome came out to the same broken end either way; an
> >>>> admittedly small sample size.  I have been able to replace KDE with XFCE
> >>>> - mostly.  The xrdp config is still messed up, which isn't saying much...
> >>>>
> >>>> Just wondering, has anybody seen or done anything with guacamole from
> >>>> apache <https://guacamole.apache.org/>??  Seems an alternative to xrdp.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, if we could just make GUI a true client/server system where the
> >>>> presentation work is done on the desktop side.
> >>>>
> >>>> Howard
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/1/20 6:08 PM, Howard White wrote:
> >>>>> Many thanks for the rebound, Brian.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Really didn't notice which of the ?dm programs was there before I
> >>>>> started but I definitely see gdm there after the Gnome install.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And before anybody gets too concerned, I'm working on a copy of a
> >>>>> copy...  I may delete this copy and gen it again to retrace my steps
> >>>>> more carefully.  That yum erase kde-runtime went as apparently cleanly
> >>>>> as it did is a good start.  I need to spend more time on the system post
> >>>>> erase, pre groupinstall to take better stock of what is there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Howard
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7/1/20 5:06 PM, Brian H. Ward wrote:
> >>>>>> Did removing KDE get rid of sddm but now gdm/gdm3 is not there to take
> >>>>>> its place? Been a while since I've messed w/ RHEL/CentOS, but some
> >>>>>> distros keep the xdm (login manager) out of the desktop metapackages
> >>>>>> so they don't collide (if you want a machine capable or running either
> >>>>>> KDE or GNOME).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just my $0.02 (aka "guess")
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- bhw
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:37 PM Jack Coats <[email protected]
> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       Condolences from the retired cheap seats... If you must rebuild 
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>       sounds like multiple virtual machines or at least some kind of
> >>>>>>       containers.  But I have been out of the fray so long, don't take
> >>>>>>       anything I say at face value, ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       Take care ol friends.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:11 PM Howard White <[email protected]
> >>>>>>       <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > Dealing with servers (virtual guests) upon which KDE was
> >>>>>> installed as
> >>>>>>        > the GUI.  I'm going through an exercise to try to remove KDE 
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>       replace
> >>>>>>        > it, reluctantly, with GNOME.
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > yum erase kde-runtime seems to have done that deed nicely.
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > First attempt yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop" got all manner 
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>        > conflicts between libvirt-libs and the existing (old)
> >>>>>> libvirt-client
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > yum upgrade libvirt_client
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop" got passed that
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > Did I mention that I'm working remotely, trying to balance 
> >>>>>> between
> >>>>>>        > PuTTY, RDP and vshpere (oh yeah, it's ESXi 5.1)?
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > I did get to the boot screen on the guest console to accept 
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>       license
> >>>>>>        > and finish the configuration.  I am able to connect to "some
> >>>>>> part of"
> >>>>>>        > gnome via RDP but I don't have an "Activity" or "Applications"
> >>>>>>       widget in
> >>>>>>        > the top left corner.  Gnome Classic??  No obvious way to log 
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>>       of that
> >>>>>>        > session.
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > Now on reboot, the console goes through the boot sequence,
> >>>>>>       displays the
> >>>>>>        > CentOS 7 GUI login splash but not the actual login process.  
> >>>>>> Am
> >>>>>>       not able
> >>>>>>        > to get to (what I know as session manager) select which Gnome
> >>>>>> or ????
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > I am able to ssh into the system no problems.  I am also able 
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>       connect
> >>>>>>        > via RDP but it's not useable.
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > WhaddidIdo this time?
> >>>>>>        >
> >>>>>>        > Howard
> >>>>>>        >
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