yeah, in 2018 this should be dockerized and then he can roll from vendor to
vendor that supports docker (all the good ones should by now).

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Tilghman Lesher <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I can't answer all of those questions, but as he's using Joomla, I do
> know that the requirements are roughly like Wordpress:  writable
> files, so it can be upgraded on the fly, with a MySQL database.
> Trying to do anything else requires a firm understanding of the
> internals of Joomla, and I'd say he's not prepared to do that.
>
> If you have the time to abstract out a site, AWS can absolutely be
> cheaper than a conventional VPS.  However, most people don't have the
> knowledge or the time to learn, and they'd rather just go for the
> conventional to meet their needs.  Also, there's an implicit danger of
> adopting a single-vendor strategy, which is that the vendor could
> increase their prices in the future, and if you're not prepared to
> reevaluate the platform, you could be stuck with whatever that vendor
> chooses to charge.  With a conventional VPS running Linux, moving can
> be as simple as taking a dump of the database, restoring elsewhere,
> and updating DNS.
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Tim O'Guin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This really depends on the needs of the site. Is it a static site? Does
> it
> > need a database? Does it persist data on the filesystem, or is it
> stateless?
> > Is the traffic infrequent and/or spiky? Do you need to be able to
> monitor it
> > with tooling from the cloud provider? Is uptime paramount, or can you
> afford
> > to turn it off at times to safe money? What about memory and CPU
> > requirements?
> >
> > Smaller providers aren't necessarily cheaper than AWS. There are many
> ways
> > to optimize those costs in AWS, and you could easily get comparable
> pricing
> > to something like DigitalOcean just by planning ahead and reserving your
> > instance usage. You can pay for 1-year or 3-year reservations and save
> up to
> > 60% over the higher on-demand pricing.
> >
> > You'd probably be looking at a bit of a learning curve, but learning AWS
> > might be a benefit in itself.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 9:06 AM Gibson Prichard <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I second Tilghman - lowendbox.com is a useful referral site. I found
> >> WootHosting there and have two inexpensive VPS hosts from them. Their
> tech
> >> support is quick, but I would be hesitant to wholeheartedly recommend
> >> WootHosting because of performance issues, likely resulting from
> overselling
> >> a physical host. That being said, for around $25 a year, you can get a
> >> server to test and play with. It might make a nice failover or test-bed
> >> site.
> >>
> >> Gibson Prichard
> >> Nashville, TN
> >> [email protected]
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Tilghman Lesher <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is my go-to for hosting providers.  https://lowendbox.com/  Note
> >>> that this is not a service, in itself, but rather a blog with listings
> >>> of many other (small) providers.  Their pricing is generally a lot
> >>> better than some of the mainstream providers.
> >>>
> >>> My current favorite is VPS Dime, but if I need something
> >>> international, I go back to the source to find other providers.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Bucky Wolfe <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>> > Running a webserver on bare metal is pretty nutty in 2018 (unless
> >>> > you're
> >>> > getting thousands of requests per second). There are actually a lot
> of
> >>> > downsides to what you're doing, particularly: you have a single point
> >>> > of
> >>> > failure (in both the lone dedicated server and the single region it's
> >>> > located in), you're probably not even coming close to fully utilizing
> >>> > the
> >>> > box, and could be paying 5-10x what you'd be paying if you had built
> >>> > something on a budget cloud provider. The question should probably be
> >>> > more
> >>> > about what your requirements are for the cloud service you choose,
> >>> > rather
> >>> > than *if* you should be using it.
> >>> >
> >>> > If you're looking for suggestions: Vultr and DigitalOcean are
> probably
> >>> > the
> >>> > two best budget IaaS providers out there, I'd suggest auditing them
> >>> > both and
> >>> > making your comparison against rackspace's cloud offering. If you
> have
> >>> > a ton
> >>> > of money to throw around, obviously AWS and GCP are more than
> adequate,
> >>> > but
> >>> > you get a lot more bang for your buck with the little(r) guys. Also,
> if
> >>> > you'd rather be more hands off with the maintenance of your
> >>> > infrastructure,
> >>> > you could outsource that and look into using a PaaS like Heroku.
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> > Bucky
> >>> >
> >>> > Best,
> >>> >   Bucky Wolfe
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Michael L <[email protected]
> >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I have to make a decision soon on whether to continue running our
> >>> >> website
> >>> >> on a managed dedicated server (with firewall) or hosting our site in
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> cloud.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Can anyone point me in the direction of a solution and/or tell me
> >>> >> pitfalls
> >>> >> to avoid?  If I understood correctly, one thing Rackspace told me is
> >>> >> that a
> >>> >> cloud software firewall is something they can't offer now because
> of a
> >>> >> software acquisition making it no longer available.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks for any help.
> >>> >>   M
> >>> >>
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