i’d say slavery would have not been ended without violent uproar by slaves

i’d say french revolution made a few points

i am no expert

but all i see is super gangsters with guns winning
how would they go away by themselves without a big shoot out

very curious



> On 31 May 2017, at 20:30, aharon <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Yes.. hard to imagine without violence and indeed, perhaps, even the 
> wonderings that attempt to rid of viovence - fail in the face of 
> brutalisation.
> 
> I have to say.. sorry but perhaps a question needs to be asked, with a 
> general You in mind:
> have you been to places and in contact with people who went through the 
> serious blood shedding - and actually got their way?
> 
> its an honest question. am curious because it seems to me, perhaps wrongly, 
> that when ever violence is being used - from implied through to verbal and 
> onto the body - everyone lose.
> Suddenly what was hoped for initially is being eclipsed by the urgency to 
> deal with the effects from violence. Hope is eclipsed and, many times, i 
> think, gets lost by the very acts of violence..
> 
> hence.. here in brasilia.. with the recent violence.. it seems to me, that 
> the very deliverers of violence, the waiters of violence, (aka soldiers) had 
> to be questioned through imagination, through energetic means rather than 
> either power nor violence.. A wry smile from a soldier being asked who's 
> violence is he waiting to deliver from, the woman who can not afford health 
> care, or a president that needs power? A look of a click from a soldier that 
> just realisied he can be, at times, un-guided.. I hope I didn't use violence 
> then.. Just for that spark of imagination being able to be questioned..
> I think it was done without neither power nor violence.. However, always 
> ready to learn..
> 
> If am wrong - what am i missing? (will be glad to hear and maybe even manage 
> to learn! :) )
> 
> Have much fun!
> 
> aharon
> xx
> 
> May 30 2017 7:39 AM, "AGF poemproducer" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:%22AGF%20poemproducer%22%20<[email protected]>>> wrote:
>  
> hard to imagine there is a way fwd without serious blood shed
> ;(
> you forgot to say, they have the biggest guns
> and are advise by google
>  
>  
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>> out on the world stage, a geo-mashup and disruption of convention, 
>> democracy, and humanity.
>> http://www.randallpacker.com/new-world-disorder/ 
>> <http://www.randallpacker.com/new-world-disorder/>
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