Yes.. hard to imagine without violence and indeed, perhaps, even the wonderings 
that attempt to rid of viovence - fail in the face of brutalisation.

I have to say.. sorry but perhaps a question needs to be asked, with a general 
You in mind:
have you been to places and in contact with people who went through the serious 
blood shedding - and actually got their way?

its an honest question. am curious because it seems to me, perhaps wrongly, 
that when ever violence is being used - from implied through to verbal and onto 
the body - everyone lose.
Suddenly what was hoped for initially is being eclipsed by the urgency to deal 
with the effects from violence. Hope is eclipsed and, many times, i think, gets 
lost by the very acts of violence..

hence.. here in brasilia.. with the recent violence.. it seems to me, that the 
very deliverers of violence, the waiters of violence, (aka soldiers) had to be 
questioned through imagination, through energetic means rather than either 
power nor violence.. A wry smile from a soldier being asked who's violence is 
he waiting to deliver from, the woman who can not afford health care, or a 
president that needs power? A look of a click from a soldier that just 
realisied he can be, at times, un-guided.. I hope I didn't use violence then.. 
Just for that spark of imagination being able to be questioned..
I think it was done without neither power nor violence.. However, always ready 
to learn..

If am wrong - what am i missing? (will be glad to hear and maybe even manage to 
learn! :) )

Have much fun!

aharon
xx

May 30 2017 7:39 AM, "AGF poemproducer"  wrote:
hard to imagine there is a way fwd without serious blood shed

;(

you forgot to say, they have the biggest guns
and are advise by google
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