Want to point out that Terry Winograd has written on failure as basic - I think that was in Understanding Computers and Cognition: A New Foundation for Design (with Fernando Flores) Ablex Publ Corp. - and that he and Maturana have worked on autopoesis extensively; there's also a book I have (but not with me, forget the title) on failure in computer game playing, which is fascinating.
- Alan On Sun, 4 Dec 2016, Annie Abrahams wrote:
Failure - why science is so successful book by Stuart Firestein[IMAGE] ? On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:03 PM, x <[email protected]> wrote: Cool! Thanks for the links. A bit of own 2.5p chipping in: If we talk past/history, is it too much of a stretch to draw a line from european oriented interests with the "primitive"? (guess we could go further back but hey..) The "primitive", with people like gauguin, klee and matisse, I think can be linked with the next wave of similar interests, eg the "naive". ie child like, hence I placed klee there.. Well.. these, i think, have obvious resonances with imperialism, noble "savage", and indeed "purity" of childhood, no? Might it not be worthwhile to crit stuff like negative knowledge in its various forms, fails, bloops, etc. as possibly linked to these earlier forms? Or even contemporary "incarnations"? (Am saying all these from a certain perspective of doing stuff that skirts on various levels the negative knowledge ways, eg: a search from sense-cluelessnes in amsterdam? http://senseclueless.beep.pm/0clueams/ ) ie these questions do cross critically my mind re own practices. seemed appropriate to share.. Cheers and have fun! aharon xxxxx December 3 2016 8:01 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]> wrote: > The material on failure is interesting; I've talked a lot about it. Years ago I did a > presentation/performance in Boston, showing a lot of video work - work which I declared a failure, > and talked about the edges failure can ride on etc. The audience was infuriated; they wanted > something that would be cleanly sutured as a positive totality, something I found less instructive > and even boring. And then recently with the ISIS materials - there was no way they could be > 'successful' as artworks; anguish seeped through in their very inability to cope with the subjects > literally at-hand - > > On Sat, 3 Dec 2016, Annie Abrahams wrote: > >> there is also the project failonomics by Isabelle Desjeux started in 2012 >> https://failomics.wordpress.com >> one of her latest projects is called Learn to fail : >> https://failomics.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/learn-to-fail-1 >>> best >> Annie >>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Katriona Beales <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> That's very interesting - thanks for sending that round. I was >> part of a collective organised by Jakob Jakobsen looking at John >> Latham's conception of Anti-Know - trying to explore what >> Anti-know was/is and find lived experiences of it not just >> academic frameworks; & simultaneously looking at Anti-Know as a >> potential oppositional space for organising and activists. >> Sounds related. 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