Of course we should keep the list. But you can't talk about all things in depth here. Sometimes I get very interesting reactions via facebook, maybe because I am connected there to more people interested in a certain subject than on netbehaviour, maybe because I can easier involve them personnally? You can discuss on facebook : Proof : https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/empathy-and-intimacy-in-networked-performances/ and http://e-stranger.tumblr.com/post/91057047296/talking-code-and-emotions
I don't really know what this means for this discussion, but we should stay in reality and not fool ourselves. Best Annie On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Pall Thayer <[email protected]> wrote: I haven't been following all of this discussion but some of it. John > Hopkins' comment made me want to reply. > > It's hard to tell a well-functioning and successful mailing list that > mailing lists aren't "the thing" anymore. But they aren't. Don't get me > wrong, I love Netbehaviour and do so for all of the reasons that it > shouldn't work in the modern net-world. The internet has evolved into this > fleeting-moment thing. Anything that isn't picked up within 30 minutes is > old and abandoned. Obviously, this is not at all conducive to lengthy and > detailed examination or contemplation. It reduces everything to quick, > witty comments that lend little or no meat to the actual issue. > > Please, please, please do not change Netbehaviour. > > Look at what happened to Rhizome. They made subtle changes to their > platform that caused everyone to abandon it. They tried to claim that it > was facebook rather than their changes that killed the mailing lists but it > was their decision to stop nurturing Rhizome as a community and become an > online "journal" (or whatever you might call it) instead. > > Personally, I don't care about facebook and other platforms harvesting my > information and even benefiting from it. It's like Douglas Rushkoff > implied, if you're not a paying customer, you're the product being sold. > Either you use the service and accept that or you don't use the service at > all. You can't use the service AND complain about the service's methods of > financing your use of it. Regardless of any notions of what platforms like > facebook and twitter may have been created for, it's very obvious that > they're not used for meaningful debate or discussion. Try initiating a > meaningful discussion on facebook... I guarantee that it will quickly > dissolve into anecdotes, funny (or not) gifs and other comments that lend > nothing to the original post. That's just what you do on facebook and what > a lot of people appear to want from their online interactions. > > Having access to a mailing list that actually promotes and fosters > in-depth discussion of emergent subjects is invaluable and it is why we're > all here. I know that a lot of you are on facebook, we're "friends". But > Netbehaviour is where we come for the "real" stuff. > > Best r. > Pall > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:46 PM John Hopkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 06/Oct/15 05:18, Joumana Mourad wrote: >> > Can anyone share why FB, G+, or any of the discussion platforms did not >> > work? >> >> For me, I don't know about other folks, but I refuse to use those other >> platforms that harvest my information. I used to be an early adopter with >> different technologies as I was teaching about techno-social engagement, >> but I >> bailed completely on FB in 2010 after being on it for a few years, >> >> So it's email or bulletin boards or posting on my own web space, if that >> doesnt 'work' oh well. ... Obviously the NSA has access to everything >> that I can >> implement, but at least I can limit the access that commercial interests >> have to >> my data... And, being outside the FB bubble, one pays a price (like my >> 'connection' with my family is quite limited because few of them will send >> emails ever. So, there is always a price to be paid when one does not >> participate in the dominant social protocols... >> >> jh >> >> >>
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