Paul,

Thanks for posting that link. I found it really helpful.

Edward


On 05/12/2023 00:08, Paul Hertz via NetBehaviour wrote:
In a war where generational trauma haunts all parties, it is extremely difficult to see a way forward for peace. Nevertheless, I would offer this link to a recent text by Mushon Zer-Aviv, which addresses that question.

https://medium.com/@mushon/your-empathy-is-killing-us-1a50a4fc0488

I can't remember if Mushon is on NetBehaviour. I know him from the Upgrade! list and meeting him in Skopje (I think Ana Valdés was there too?), and have followed his words for some years. Never before have they seemed so cogent or necessary. And I am moved more by the picture at the end of his text than by the words, speaking to the generational project that may be the only way forward from the deep set memory of trauma, the flight or fight or freeze response, the parochial empathy, the taking of sides, willy-nilly.

There is more that I have been mulling over, but let me leave you first with Mushon's words.

paz,

Paul




On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:26 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour <[email protected]> wrote:



    Gaza

    https://youtu.be/Yda-c_4agZA (saz)

    it's impossible to comprehend what is occurring in Gaza,
    impossible to think through the violence and destruction,
    through the continuous cruelty. we don't think clearly,
    perhaps not at all, impossible but occurring, absent here
    but there, but continuous, but incessant, what is to come
    everywhere our abject fear, our fear is safe _here,_ it
    is our fear to own from _this_ distance, this safety.
    we did years ago have ongoing discussions on email lists
    set up for that purpose, war, violence, testimony. now we
    have our _safe nightmares_ as cruelty spreads everywhere.
    perhaps everything falls short of weeping, of our safety
    here, perhaps not. inside we were napalm not real here
    we are irreal bombardment, accounts, disasters, bodies,
    limbs, massacres, children, infants, so many civilians,
    we have the duty here now of _thinking inconceivability_
    to respond with art, music, writings, analyses, otherwise
    than _there,_ in different words _here_ and not _there,_
    the safety of the aporia, the moment of the trench
    adjacent to the cusp. i contribute this long-necked saz
    piece, i am useless, we watch the war inside of us, we
    survive in the safety, for now, of our bodies, our minds
    elsewhere, no where at all, the world inconceivable, lost

    it'simpossibletocomprehendwhatisoccurringinGaza,
    impossibletothinkthroughtheviolenceanddestruction,
    throughthecontinuouscruelty.wedon'tthinkclearly,
    perhapsnotatall,impossiblebutoccurring,absenthere
    butthere,butcontinuous,butincessant,whatistocome
    everywhereourabjectfear,ourfearissafe_here,_it
    isourfeartoownfrom_this_distance,thissafety.
    wedidyearsagohaveongoingdiscussionsonemaillists
    setupforthatpurpose,war,violence,testimony.nowwe
    haveour_safenightmares_ascrueltyspreadseverywhere.
    perhapseverythingfallsshortofweeping,ofoursafety
    here,perhapsnot.insidewewerenapalmnotrealhere
    weareirrealbombardment,accounts,disasters,bodies,
    limbs,massacres,children,infants,somanycivilians,
    wehavethedutyherenowof_thinkinginconceivability_
    torespondwithart,music,writings,analyses,otherwise
    than_there,_indifferentwords_here_andnot_there,_
    thesafetyoftheaporia,themomentofthetrench
    adjacenttothecusp.icontributethislong-neckedsaz
    piece,iamuseless,wewatchthewarinsideofus,we
    surviveinthesafety,fornow,ofourbodies,ourminds
    elsewhere,nowhereatall,theworldinconceivable,lost
    */the hurry/*

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