All this makes sense to me. Hamas is not Gaza is not Hamas, even Netanyahu is not Israel is not Netanyahu. Targeted wars leave destruction in their wake; I'm reading the full version of Karl Kraus' The Last Days of Mankind, a play around 600 pages long (which he read over 10 long nights) - there is always a 'wake' (in the sense of a wake behind a boat) that spreads from what may be close to singularities, sweeping up everything else, dragging propaganda/hyperbole/verbal violence - violence , along with it . What is inconceivably conceivable is our discussion apart from this area which covers less than central London, all of it, all of Gaza. And a population held there, captive. (What will most likely spread - the West Bank.) And we discuss. And this is what we do. And not just there - there is other local and not so local violence elsewhere. (A problem - the violence against Ukraine, less visible now.) I fear "our" upcoming election next year in the US. There will be more to come. It is good we discuss this, here, and elsewhere, when we can. It is very good. Best, Alan, thank you everyone of course
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:09 PM Paul Hertz via NetBehaviour < [email protected]> wrote: > In a war where generational trauma haunts all parties, it is extremely > difficult to see a way forward for peace. Nevertheless, I would offer this > link to a recent text by Mushon Zer-Aviv, which addresses that question. > > https://medium.com/@mushon/your-empathy-is-killing-us-1a50a4fc0488 > > I can't remember if Mushon is on NetBehaviour. I know him from the > Upgrade! list and meeting him in Skopje (I think Ana Valdés was there > too?), and have followed his words for some years. Never before have they > seemed so cogent or necessary. And I am moved more by the picture at the > end of his text than by the words, speaking to the generational project > that may be the only way forward from the deep set memory of trauma, the > flight or fight or freeze response, the parochial empathy, the taking of > sides, willy-nilly. > > There is more that I have been mulling over, but let me leave you first > with Mushon's words. > > paz, > > Paul > > > > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:26 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Gaza >> >> https://youtu.be/Yda-c_4agZA (saz) >> >> it's impossible to comprehend what is occurring in Gaza, >> impossible to think through the violence and destruction, >> through the continuous cruelty. we don't think clearly, >> perhaps not at all, impossible but occurring, absent here >> but there, but continuous, but incessant, what is to come >> everywhere our abject fear, our fear is safe _here,_ it >> is our fear to own from _this_ distance, this safety. >> we did years ago have ongoing discussions on email lists >> set up for that purpose, war, violence, testimony. now we >> have our _safe nightmares_ as cruelty spreads everywhere. >> perhaps everything falls short of weeping, of our safety >> here, perhaps not. inside we were napalm not real here >> we are irreal bombardment, accounts, disasters, bodies, >> limbs, massacres, children, infants, so many civilians, >> we have the duty here now of _thinking inconceivability_ >> to respond with art, music, writings, analyses, otherwise >> than _there,_ in different words _here_ and not _there,_ >> the safety of the aporia, the moment of the trench >> adjacent to the cusp. i contribute this long-necked saz >> piece, i am useless, we watch the war inside of us, we >> survive in the safety, for now, of our bodies, our minds >> elsewhere, no where at all, the world inconceivable, lost >> >> it'simpossibletocomprehendwhatisoccurringinGaza, >> impossibletothinkthroughtheviolenceanddestruction, >> throughthecontinuouscruelty.wedon'tthinkclearly, >> perhapsnotatall,impossiblebutoccurring,absenthere >> butthere,butcontinuous,butincessant,whatistocome >> everywhereourabjectfear,ourfearissafe_here,_it >> isourfeartoownfrom_this_distance,thissafety. >> wedidyearsagohaveongoingdiscussionsonemaillists >> setupforthatpurpose,war,violence,testimony.nowwe >> haveour_safenightmares_ascrueltyspreadseverywhere. >> perhapseverythingfallsshortofweeping,ofoursafety >> here,perhapsnot.insidewewerenapalmnotrealhere >> weareirrealbombardment,accounts,disasters,bodies, >> limbs,massacres,children,infants,somanycivilians, >> wehavethedutyherenowof_thinkinginconceivability_ >> torespondwithart,music,writings,analyses,otherwise >> than_there,_indifferentwords_here_andnot_there,_ >> thesafetyoftheaporia,themomentofthetrench >> adjacenttothecusp.icontributethislong-neckedsaz >> piece,iamuseless,wewatchthewarinsideofus,we >> surviveinthesafety,fornow,ofourbodies,ourminds >> elsewhere,nowhereatall,theworldinconceivable,lost >> */the hurry/* >> >> ___ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > -- > ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- > http://paulhertz.net/ > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- *=====================================================* *directory http://www.alansondheim.org <http://www.alansondheim.org> tel 347-383-8552**email sondheim ut panix.com <http://panix.com>, sondheim ut gmail.com <http://gmail.com>* *=====================================================*
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