When reading the 5th grade standards (Kentucky): Write opinion pieces on topics or texts, supporting a point of view with reasons and information.
In my mind I see opinion writing and persuasive writing to be two different things. Years ago in 5th we taught the kids to write persuasive pieces, but now it is my understanding they are only writing their opinion. This supports argumentative writing-you are introducing a topic, stating your opinion, and creating an organizational structure in which ideas are logically grouped to support your purpose. Kari ________________________________________ From: Mosaic [[email protected]] on behalf of Amy McGovern [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] CCSS & Writing This is interesting and I'm wondering how you would categorize a letter. In an effort to prepare for the Smarter Balanced Assessment we asked our 5th grade to write a letter to their principal persuading him or her to either move forward with digital textbooks or not. Evidence must be presented and synthesized to support their recommendation. To prepare the students, they watched 2 videos and were given an informational text of pros and cons. We wrote the prompt with persuasive in mind. Again, the students have to write a letter and supply their recommendation with evidence. Is this more argument? They are asked to persuade... But is this just semantics? I'm Interested in your thoughts. This is the first year we tried something like this. All our 5th graders across the district are writing to this prompt. Thanks for the feedback. Amy > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:02:46 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] CCSS & Writing > > Jennifer, > I went to a one day training and your explanation was exactly the way it was > explained. While the jargon changes the major concepts keep coming back. I > would love to see lesson plans that people who use Mosaic strategies are > producing. Are any new books or workshops coming from Ellin's group. > Pat > On Sep 29, 2013, at 5:36 AM, "Palmer, Jennifer" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Argument writing is NOT persuasive. It is writing to build a case. Suppose > > you ask your students to read Shakespeare...say ...Hamlet. Argument writing > > would be a response to a prompt like "Was Hamlet justified in his feelings > > against the new king? Why or why not?" Argument writing is about taking a > > position and using evidence from the text (or in some cases of argument > > writing) their own research... and building a case for their thesis. > > > > My understanding is that claims support a thesis. A thesis is an overall > > statement. There may be several claims that support the thesis... and of > > course, under the CCSS in argument writing you must support all of your > > claims. > > Example... > > Hamlet was justified in his plot against his king and mother. (thesis) > > Claim 1... They murdered his father. > > (then text evidence to support) > > Claim 2... They murdered the rightful king. > > (then text evidence to support) > > Claim 3...self defense...they might murder Hamlet next because he is an > > heir to the throne... > > (then text evidence to support) > > > > It has been a while since I read Hamlet, but even if I don't remember the > > plot line accurately, I hope this example helps. > > > > And in the 20+ years I have been in education, the jargon has continually > > changed...so I would expect that to continue...CCSS though, I think, will > > be around for quite a while. > > > >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:35 AM, "[email protected]" > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> I'm wondering about the new vocabulary associated with the Common Core > >> State Standards. I'm only getting little snippets for my colleagues, but > >> nothing official at school, and nothing that helps me understand the > >> difference. > >> I think that the word claim has replaced the word thesis. What's the > >> difference? If there is no difference, why is there now a different word? > >> > >> Persuasive writing is now called argumentative writing. Why? All my > >> students think they know what an argument is, and I would not call that > >> persuasive. > >> Also, do you think these new words will be replaced (again) in the next > >> few years? > >> > >> I'm interested in any information you all can share before I start my > >> students on their first big writing assignment. Thanks! > >> Jan > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mosaic mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > >> > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mosaic mailing list > > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > PatK > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
