I would too considering we just are implementing Fountas and Pinnell and I have to same fears... so would really appreciate the research so we as coaches are more informed with "research" for our administration. Lisa Ward
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Taryn Vanderburg Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:36 AM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Cc: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics program Jennifer, I would also appreciate this research. Thank you, Taryn Vanderburg Sent from my iPad On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Judy Shenker <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > I would be very interested in any research supporting the > ineffectiveness of whole group phonics. > > Thank-you, > > Judy > > Judy Shenker > Learning Enrichment And Development Coordinator Coordinatrice en > enrichissement et développement de l'apprentissage > > Lower Canada College > 4090, avenue Royal > Montréal (Québec) H4A 2M5 > Téléphone (514) 482-9797 ext. 333 > Fax (514) 482-0195 > Site web www.lcc.ca > > Students first > L'élève avant tout > Celebrating 15 years of coeducation > LCC célèbre 15 ans d'éducation mixte > > > > > On 12-02-24 7:43 AM, "Palmer, Jennifer" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Pauline , I understand your dilemma. I am in the same position. Yet, >> no matter how good the program, the only thing that's going to level >> the playing field is PD. >> We started Wilson before Fountas and Pinnell. The problem I see with >> any phonics program is that it teaches the same skills to everyone. >> This ensures that 2/3 of the kids will not learn. 1/3 of the kids >> already know the skill. 1/3 are not ready to learn it. Whatever >> program you land on, PD for it needs to include >> differentiation...assessment of student need then small group instruction >> targeted to those needs. >> >> Let me know if you need the research behind this!! Whole group >> phonics is ineffective. Consider the developmental nature of word >> learning in how you proceed. >> Jennifer >> >> >> On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:11 AM, "Pauline K Nagle" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I have worked in several districts in Michigan and am currently a >>> Curriculum Coordinator for Elementary Instruction. I, too, have >>> been looking at phonics programs, because as I see it, not all >>> teachers are created equal. While I would love to see all teachers >>> creating literature rich, cross-curriculuar connections, with >>> embedded word study work, I know that it is not the reality of our >>> district or every teacher. To be fair, I don't think that we spend >>> the amount of professional development necessary for all teachers to >>> be strong experts of both their content and of explicit, scaffolded >>> instruction. So, while I work towards that particular goal, I need >>> to find a "program" that equals the playing field across all >>> classrooms so that I do not create a district of "have good phonics >>> instruction" and "have poor phonics instruction". If a quality >>> program exists, that also provides flexibility (which I think the >>> Fountas & Pinnell program does), then those with the expertise will >>> be able to use it flexibly and those that need the structure of the >>> program may have an improved quality of instruction. I currently >>> have K teachers piloting the F&P Word Study work. >>> >>> I have a sample of Fundamentals and am wondering from those that >>> have used >>> it, how you got started and why you chose it over the others. The same >>> with Saxon or Wilson Language. Was Fountas & Pinnell available at >>> the point of your decision making and you chose those over F&P? Any >>> information would be helpful. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Renee <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In a nutshell..... I ran an individualized reading program that was >>>> basically a combined readers' and writers' workshop, in which >>>> students chose their own reading material, and I did comprehensive >>>> individual conferences with each student at least a couple of times >>>> a week, during which they talked about what they were reading, read >>>> aloud a bit to me, and we discussed their writing, including how >>>> they used phonetic strategies in their writing. They had >>>> individualized spelling tests and we also had class-wide spelling >>>> words that were chunked into groups of words that shared some kind >>>> of phonetic or spelling structure (and they chose the words, as a >>>> group). My students wrote every day, and I almost never gave them >>>> writing prompts unless I wanted them to include something specific. >>>> If I did give prompts, I tried to make them as open-ended as >>>> possible. >>>> Some of >>>> their writing was creative, some was literature response, and some >>>> was informational. My students created class books, and individual >>>> books. I incorporated lots and lots of drawing and other art to tap >>>> into the realm of the visual learner. And yes, I also did some >>>> isolated phonics instruction as I saw a need, but most of the >>>> phonics instruction was done through individual students' own >>>> writing. >>>> >>>> I am retired now and substituting, and, like Sally, I am in many >>>> different classrooms in a couple of different districts, and I do >>>> not find the print rich environments that I created as a teacher. I >>>> almost never see poetry on the walls, or collaborative stories, or >>>> teacher and/or student made charts. >>>> I see a lot of isolated this and that and very little connection >>>> between one subject an another, or even between reading and >>>> writing. "Explicit" >>>> phonics instruction does not need to mean scripted programs. >>>> >>>> I'm sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. But for those who are not >>>> sure what this list is supposed to be about, if you haven't read >>>> Mosaic of Thought... pick up a copy and see what it's about. >>>> >>>> Renee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Palmer, Jennifer wrote: >>>> >>>> So Renee, why don't you share how you handle this issue? How do you >>>> find >>>>> what kids need? How do you structure your classroom instruction to >>>>> hit multiple needs? Please share how you kid watch and then use >>>>> what you've learned? I think there's a lot of people who'd benefit >>>>> from your experiences. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:34 PM, "Renee" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No one has suggested that phonics has no place in skill instruction. >>>>>> The question was about **scripted** phonics programs, which I .... >>>>>> and >>>>>> others.... do not feel are congruent with the Mosaic of Thought >>>>>> strategies for reading instruction. Of course phonics instruction >>>>>> is part of reading instruction. Part of it. And being able to >>>>>> decode is an important strategy in the comprehension process. But >>>>>> a scripted phonics program will not, by definition, look at >>>>>> individual needs of children, nor will it guide the teacher >>>>>> toward effective, individualized, kid-watching strategies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Renee >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Cara Acosta wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Look, I don't want to start a debate, but there is a place for >>>>>> phonics >>>>>>> skill instruction. It can be weaved into a Reader's workshop >>>>>>> format as mini lessons, and then applied in context. There are >>>>>>> some kids, particularly LD kids, dyslexic kids, or struggling >>>>>>> readers, who do benefit from explicit phonics instruction. Does >>>>>>> that mean that the purpose of reading isn't still making >>>>>>> meaning? Of course not! You can't make meaning if you can't >>>>>>> read the words! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Lynette DeGraffenried < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have used the program with kindergarten through 3 rd grade and >>>>>>> love >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> As a Title 1 Coordinator it is great for para professionals >>>>>>>> working in small groups. It is flexible so that I can target >>>>>>>> specific needs of students. And it allows for >>>>>>>> sequential/developmental growth. I also used it as a teacher in >>>>>>>> my own class-1st and transitional first grades. >>>>>>>> Lynette >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Suzanne Goebert < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was just wondering if anyone is using Fountas & Pinnell's >>>>>>>> Phonics and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Word Study program in grade 2? Or is there a phonics program >>>>>>>> that someone is using that works for them. 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