Apologies auto formatting add a . to the link address and made it 
unrenderable. Here is the correct link to the endocast segmentation 
tutorial:
https://slicermorph.github.io/Endocast_creation.html


On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 7:51:59 AM UTC-8 Murat Maga wrote:

> Paul,
> ITK-Snap is a nice tool, but I am surprised you couldn't do what you 
> wanted to do in 3D Slicer as it is quite feature rich. As a comprehensive 
> program, Slicer does have a longer (but not necessarily any steeper) curve 
> than ITK-Snap. Our goal in SlicerMorph is to ease that curve. Here are 
> couple documentation on segmentation in Slicer, if you would like to give 
> another try:
>
> *Endocast segmentation tutorial *written by a student on forum: 
> https://slicermorph.github.io/Endocast_creation.html. It explains two 
> different approach to manually segment endocrania, and then compares their 
> output to Segment Endocranium modules one  (this is a few years old, so 
> menus look a little different than current version, but the functionality 
> is identical). 
>
> *And our segmentation tutorials*: 
> https://github.com/SlicerMorph/Tutorials/tree/main/Segmentation
>
> The nice thing about ITK-Snap it uses the same open-source libraries as 
> Slicer (namely ITK) so whatever you do in it, you can bring it Slicer (or 
> vice versa). 
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:38:59 PM UTC-8 Paul Penkalski wrote:
>
>> Hi Christy, 
>> Another good option is ITK-SNAP: http://www.itksnap.org/ 
>>
>> Although it isn't designed specifically to segment endocraniums, it 
>> has several automatic algorithms that I've used to segment fossil 
>> braincases automatically and it worked really well. You may have to 
>> clean up the segmentation a little at the end, but that's true for any 
>> program. Then you can save the segmentation as a 3D model or mesh. 
>>
>> You might download it and do a quick test segmentation, and you'll see 
>> how straighforward it is. I had tried 3D Slicer prior to that and 
>> couldn't get it to do anything useful. Then someone recommended 
>> ITK-SNAP. Of course there are a few commercial apps too, but they 
>> aren't any easier to use, and not really any more powerful than ITK, 
>> and obviously more expensive. 
>>
>> Downsampling the scan is a good idea. I often do that. You can also 
>> crop it, e.g. if it's a scan of the whole skull and you only need to 
>> segment the endocranium. I like IrfanView which can do batch crop and 
>> resize and has a DICOM plugin (and it's free, at least the older 
>> versions). 0.1 mm is pretty high resolution unless you're scanning 
>> mice! 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Paul P. 
>>
>>
>> On 2/23/23, Murat Maga <[email protected]> wrote: 
>> > Without the data it is hard to tell, but often those crashes are memory 
>> > related. Memory usage during segmentation increases 8-10 folds based on 
>> the 
>> > segmentation effect being used. So if your dataset is 2GB, you need 
>> minimum 
>> > of 16-20GB of "available" RAM for Slicer to work properly. If you can 
>> share 
>> > your dataset, I can take a look. 
>> > 
>> > Also for endocast segmentation there is no need to work with full 
>> > resolution images. You can downsample your image (via the CropVolume) 
>> by 2, 
>> > and then try. That will reduce your data volume by 8 folds. Your 
>> > experiments will go faster too. 
>> > 
>> > The other important parameters is the size of the largest hole to plug, 
>> and 
>> > the smoothing. Default parameters we included worked fine for large 
>> apes, 
>> > but I am not sure for seal skulls. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:24:30 AM UTC-8 Christy Hipsley 
>> wrote: 
>>
>

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