2015-03-24 21:20 GMT+01:00 Adrien Nader <adr...@notk.org>:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, David Macek wrote:
> > On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to
> > > http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate.
> >
> > Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or
> may not be applicable to other visitors:
> >
> > === Downloads/Others:
> >
> > The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as
> if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are
> also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to
> other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains
> for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the
> first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the
> Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository.
> >
> > The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1)
> moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE
> to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or
> completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I
> don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs
> will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with
> logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the
> plain text around.
>
> The "Others" tab has not received much love and that dates back to the
> creation of the download page on the previous website.
> When I put rubenvb and opensuse toolchains back when I created the
> download page (it's been some time already), the reactions I had
> received from both upstreams were at best "meh" and without many more
> details so I couldn't do a lot. I really wanted to put them somewhere
> though (I think Opensuse's effort started at least 7 years ago and
> rubenvb toolchains were widespread). Ideally they'd be in a proper
> place: the "others" section would ideally only contain the link to
> Sourceforge's FRS. That requires the corresponding toolchain creator to
> provide information about their releases.
>
I think I sent you an email with the required info as you asked for way
back when. If I didn't, my fault, but I'm not too worried about my
toolchains. They are dated now and should really be retired from the
download page.
>
> Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I
> just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for
> the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it.
> Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks
> instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you
> check the page again and tell me if it looks better?
>
> Also, the OS X situation currently is not very good as there is
> toolchain provider and the toolchains that are available are old,
> experimental and unsupported. I'm not worrying about it at the moment
> since it should change soon (more on that later on).
>
> > === Downloads/Source:
> >
> > This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on
> SF.net with "SourceForge" as the title seem misleading.
> >
> > === Downloads/Linux:
> >
> > I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the
> link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to
> AUR homepage. This may be a good link: <
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=n&K=mingw-w64&SB=c&PP=250>
>
> I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had.
> I've updated the page, thanks.
>
> > Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official
> Arch repos? <https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64> They don't
> seem outdated or anything.
>
> I wasn't aware of these packages (maybe they're newer than the
> arch-linux-related update). I'm not sure how they relate to AUR ones;
> I'm under the impression the toolchain is in the base and non-toolchain
> packages should be built from AUR but I need a confirmation from at
> least one actual user.
>
I can confirm whatever you need: I made the original AUR packages, these
were absorbed into the binary [Community] repository, and they contain a
complete toolchain (c,c++,objc,obj-c++,fortran,ada) with the latest
released versions and is updated regularly. Development versions naturally
belong in the AUR for which everything is built from source on install. The
[Community] packages are those you want to link to on the MinGW-w64
download page. I'd suggest installing the "mingw-w64-gcc" package, which
should pull everything else in as a dependency.
Additionally, a couple of users have done the work to provide a bunch of
libraries in the AUR (which are built from source on install). Someone
(ant32 and some other guy) even provides binaries in a binary user
repository:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unofficial_user_repositories#mingw-w64
http://mingw-w64-archlinux.sourceforge.net/
The build scripts (PKGBUILDs) for them can be found on github:
https://github.com/ant32/amr
So you can build the non-toolchain packages from the AUR, or get them from
the user repo linked on the ArchWiki.
Hope this provides enough information.
Ruben
>
> > === Downloads/Windows:
> >
> > Mentioning Cygwin while omitting MSYS2 seems weird, given the numbers of
> packages they provide. I'm definitely in favor of mentioning MSYS2 in this
> tab. Is there a reason Cygwin is first in this list?
>
> Jonathan gave me the relevant information and, to the best of my
> knowledge, it is still (mostly) correct.
>
> There's an additional reason: I'm seeing cygwin similarly to
> fedora/opensuse/arch.
> If someone is already using these, the entries on the website will make
> him check his version requirements and look at his distro package
> manager. They probably won't make anyone start using these distros
> however. Some distros have recent versions, some don't (debian, ubuntu)
> and I believe this page can help the user by providing something simple
> to read.
>
> MSYS2 is different in that there's a lot more to say. I also don't want
> to make all the content myself and had had no actual feedback on that
> front before.
>
> Cygwin is first because the lists are sorted alphabetically. I don't
> think I want to start changing that.
>
> > ===
> >
> > Overall, the website looks very good IMO.
>
> Good to hear. :)
>
> > I noticed some typos and weird sentences in some places; should I also
> note them here on the ML?
>
> I can either create you an account on the wiki or you can send me the
> list of things to change and I'll review and apply.
>
> --
> Adrien Nader
>
>
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