On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, Ray Donnelly wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Ray Donnelly <mingw.andr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Adrien Nader <adr...@notk.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, Ray Donnelly wrote: > >>> On 24 Mar 2015 07:06, "Adrien Nader" <adr...@notk.org> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hi, > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, Norbert Pfeiler wrote: > >>> > > Hi, > >>> > > it’s nice to see an update on the website, looks good. > >>> > > What I’d like to see though, is a mention of msys2 in the downloads > >>> > > section. > >>> > > >>> > The difficulty with an "msys2" entry on the page for downloads has so > >>> > far been that it's not really like other download entries. There could > >>> > be a new tab for "tools" but it might be not very visible (I'm not 100% > >>> > happy with the current tab stuff on the download page but I think it's > >>> > good enough for /now/). I'm definitely after ideas on how to properly > >>> > organize things while remaining focused on the user (probably 99.99% of > >>> > people use mingw-w64 through IDEs unlike 99.99% of the people on this > >>> > mailing-list; and they tend to not look very far on a website). > >>> > >>> Have you actually used MSYS2? It is very similar in scope to win-builds. > >> > >> I know what it does and how. My concern is that just throwing another > >> link on the page is not going to help any visitor. But maybe what you > >> have in mind is to just insert it at the same level as other downloads > >> for the "runs on windows" tab but then the unique stuff about msys2 is > >> not going to be visible. > >> > >> When I mention the 99.99% of users, I'm sad about it: most people really > >> don't spend a lot of brainpower when it comes to download something. I > >> believe that if a link is added in the middle of one of the page, > >> without further UX consideration, it'll simply be not visible to people > >> who care and confusing to the others (those who use IDEs). > >> > >> Now, if the majority thinks it should be added right now, provide the > >> block content and I'll copy it immediately. > > > > I guess you should take a poll on IRC regarding the majority, here's some > > text.
Is that meant to be condescending? Let's say it isn't. I'm never ever going to define "majority" as "people on IRC who are online and active at one given moment". But anyway, the whole point of the website is to help new users. More than half the people I know of on the IRC channel are running Linux and I'm not expecting them to give an in-depth analysis of MSYS2. > > "MSYS2 is a modern version of MSYS, both of which are Cygwin (POSIX > > compatibility layer) forks with the aim of better interoperability > > with native Windows software. It aims to provide support to facilitate > > using the bash shell, Autotools, revision control systems and the like > > for building native Windows applications using MinGW-w64 toolchains. > > It comes with a port of ArchLinux's Pacman package manager. Three > > repos are provided with over 1000 packages." > > > > Actually we'd prefer "MSYS2 is a modern rewrite of MSYS .." I'm afraid this is not going to be enough. More than two decade ago, the Web was born. And it had hyperlinks from day one. Where does that even go? Next to the other entries currently there? It needs a block title, a download link, the CRT and GCC versions in use, the languages supported by the toolchains, and so on. Look at the current page and make something that fit in. I still believe MSYS2 will not fit in properly and I still believe it would be better served by a better general organization of the website (actually I don't care about MSYS2: I care about users) but the last thing I want to do is spend time arguing on the Internet so please provide something that I can integrate (I don't care for markup but I need the data) and that is useful to the visitors. -- Adrien Nader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ _______________________________________________ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
