The bloody irony of it is that agile was supossed to be about "people over
process"...
J
On 31 January 2016 04:41:23 GMT+11:00, paul sorenson <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yeah as soon as some new methodology comes along an industry quickly
>grows up around it promoting "the right way" and often losing sight of
>the core meaning.
>
>Companies who are truly agile would have no insecurities hiring great
>technical talent with "no prior agile experience" as long as the
>candidate showed a willingness to operate in an agile way.
>
>Also key hiring decisions are often made by people who have no
>development experience themselves and so are constrained to "go by the
>book".
>
>On 30/01/16 00:18, Aidan Lister wrote:
>> Send me your resume or GitHub! Any developer worth their chops is
>going
>> to slot into an agile workplace in a heartbeat. People over process,
>we
>> are just looking for great devs!
>>
>> Your reflection sounds like a short sighted HR level decision, unless
>> you were going for a team lead role where you'd be expected to drive
>the
>> agile processes?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 at 2:59 PM, Brian May <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I recently had a job application rejected, for a Python Role,
>with the
>> following explanation:
>>
>> "Although we were impressed by your experience and passion
>for
>> technology (particularly Python/Django), we are looking
>for more
>> hands on experience working in an agile team environment.
>>
>> I suspect a lot of employer's consider Agile very important, and
>this
>> might be a reason why I haven't had a lot of success so far with
>my job
>> search.
>>
>> However, there seems to be this problem that I can't get
>experience
>> "working in an agile team" without getting one of these jobs,
>which I am
>> unlikely to get because (in the view of the person making the
>decision)
>> I haven't had the "hands on experience".
>>
>> i.e. in Python that would be:
>>
>> class Experience(object):
>> ...
>>
>> def get_job(experience):
>> required_experience = ????
>> experience = get_additional_experience_required(experience,
>> required_experience)
>> while True:
>> try:
>> job = apply_for_job(experience)
>> ...
>> attend_interview(job, experience)
>> ...
>> return job
>> except ApplicationRejected:
>> pass
>>
>>
>> def get_additional_experience_required(experience,
>required_experience):
>> while experience < required_experience:
>> job = get_job(experience)
>> goto_work(job)
>> experience = experience + perform_job(job)
>> return experience
>>
>>
>> if __name__ == "__main__":
>> experience = Experience()
>> while True:
>> job = get_job(experience)
>> try:
>> while True:
>> goto_work(job)
>> experience = experience + perform_job(job)
>> goto_home()
>> goto_bed()
>> except LostJob:
>> pass
>>
>>
>> Which is likely to produce a stack overflow error. However I
>don't think
>> stackoverflow.com <http://stackoverflow.com> is going to help me
>> here. How do I fix the above code?
>>
>> (1st draft only: applying for a job should be multi-threaded, so
>I can
>> have a number of open applications at any one time; there is also
>> several problems with my get_experience_required function if
>get_job
>> actually returned a result: e.g. no sleep and no catching the
>LostJob
>> exception)
>>
>> Apparently just having experience in using the developmental
>tools, such
>> as git, Jenkins, Gerrit, Tox, github, Travis, etc is not
>sufficient. Nor
>> is my experience in a being a sole developer of a large and
>complicated
>> open source Django based application. I suspect I have used
>principles
>> of Agile development already, however not as part of a formal
>> development team.
>>
>> I just wondered if anybody here had any tips for how I might go
>about
>> convincing potential employers that I can participate in an
>formal
>> "Agile
>> team environment"?
>>
>> Yes, I could read up more about the theory of Agile programming,
>however
>> I think they want practical experience, not theoretical
>knowledge.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> Brian May <[email protected]
><mailto:[email protected]>>
>> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
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