On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 17:05 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote:
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> I think the issue here is money and fear. Cheap cPanel hosts include 
> Mailman 2 with their budget hosting packages and I am pretty sure that 
> is who you are using. 

I'm not sure where you think money comes into this, unless you are
admitting that moving to mm3 requires expensive consulting contracts. 
I've turned down 2 large orgs that had trouble migrating from mm2 to mm3
and needed a 3rd party to bail them out.  Brian, I recall referring one
of them to you.  So, I guess, money does come into play.  Fear is
another interesting choice of words.  Do you think that the fear might
be due to someone repeating over and over that this open source project
is dead and will only be in maintenance mode (life support?) going
forward?

Let's recognize that mm3 has been around for 10 years, and during that
time mm2 has been expanded and enhanced over and over.  The difference
now is that the gatekeeper who was doing that wants to move on, and
should have the right and support to move on.    

> Well fine, then let those hosts take on the > responsibility of
keeping Mailman 2 up to date. That is what open source > is all about. 

That, *that* ^^^, is my point.  I want to take that on, I want to work
with contributors to commit their vetted and tested patches into the mm2
branch, I've basically been told to go somewhere else to do it.  I think
who/m ever takes it on should be part of the Mailman Team.  There is
absolutely no reason against, and there are certainly several examples
for, having 2 or more active development branches in an open source (or
closed source for that matter) project. 

-Jim P.



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