>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Brad> If anyone wants to see a more completely laid out and Brad> fully explained discussion of why Goodmail is such a bad Brad> idea, please see <http://www2.dearaol.com/faq> and Brad> <http://www2.dearaol.com/blog>. *sigh* I see lots of explanation of why this is going to hurt "legitimate" bulk emailers there, but ... isn't that obvious? OTOH, very little about how it hurts the typical AOL customer. In fact, it's not crystal clear to me that it does, on average. Remember, this is the same class of user that you denigrate as "if you think that's stupid AOL customer behavior, let me tell you it get MUCH worse than that". Maybe it's worth it to such users to lose a few mailings from non-profits in order to instill more discipline in the less professional half of bulk-emailing businesses. >From the point of view of the professional economist (that's me), "pay per mail" (even pay-per-byte) is a concept that should be seriously considered. It's obvious that there are problems with managing the payments, that it will be expensive---but both the monopoly USPS and the fairly competitive courier services manage such businesses. And it's easy to see that it will have some disciplining effect on the "gray-zone" bulk emailers.[1] That said, I'm perfectly willing to believe that the move to pay-per-mail is bad for everybody (even for AOL and Goodmail in the long run). In fact, I do believe that. And I believe it's clearly socially detrimental as implemented by Goodmail. But I would like to see the case made more strongly, because I know a lot of business people and economists who _won't_. Brad> While I definitely believe that they are right, and I Brad> do have personal experience with how the AOL marketing Brad> department works, I believe that these efforts are unlikely Brad> to be successful -- at best, I fear that they may only Brad> slightly delay things. "Imminent death of the 'net predicted! Film at 11." Footnotes: [1] For example, I've recently begun to receive a lot of invitations from people I don't know to speak at conferences at my own expense. Some of these are almost worth considering, but really, I'd like them all to go away. And some of them are sufficiently far from my field or the fields of plausible sources for "carefully selected advertisers" that they're really spam in spirit, even if the list came from an organization where I opted in on the "occasional mailings". -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp