At 5:53 PM -0800 2006-03-03, Dave Crocker wrote: > So along comes a few companies who are trying to find ways to let > receive-side ISPs outsource the job of assuring that trustable bulk > mail is, in fact, trusted. (That is, the receiver wants this stuff > and these services are provding ways to assure that they get it.)
This situation is rife with cost and revenue externalities. Moreover, it is not even opt-out -- it is mandatory for all AOL users. Fundamentally, these are the two worst aspects of spam, and by extension virtually all types of abuse. Your sole protection here is that AOL and Goodmail both promise that they will play nice. History teaches us that anyone in this kind of situation who promises not to abuse their power is, well ... a fool. Let's look again at the general situation. X will provide guaranteed access to their members for the benefit of Y and the customers of Y, and in return X is paid money by Y. Substitute "AOL" for X and "Goodmail" for Y, and you get precisely the situation they are moving forward with, regardless of all possible complaints -- see <http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=181500372>. Now, substitute "families in Eastern Europe" for X, and "pimps" for Y, and you get sex slaves who are forced to perform as prostitutes. And we all know what kind of promises are made to these people before they are taken from their families. AOL is making their members bend over and drop their pants, and then will look the other way when Goodmail comes along with clients who pay good money to abuse those members. That's it, plain and simple. Okay, so maybe this paid spam stuff isn't quite as bad as being turned into a sex slave, but the mechanisms are precisely the same -- your sole protection is the word of the people who are making their members accessible, and the word of the people who would be using (abusing) those members. If AOL wants to convince anyone that this is actually a real benefit, they need to do at least two things: 1. Remove the cost/revenue externalities. If any money is to be paid for the benefit of guaranteed access to members mailboxes, it should be the members themselves. AOL should get increased revenue through making their members happier, and therefore keeping existing members for longer, and getting newer members faster than they had in the past. 2. Make the feature opt-in instead of opt-out or mandatory. If it really is good for members, they will flock to it in droves. Now, if they really want to benefit their members (and indirectly, benefit themselves), they need to give those members a way to charge considerably more than the usual and customary fee, if they should be hit with a particularly heinous paid spam -- a factor of a thousand, or more. This would force the senders to seriously think twice about abusing their enhanced access. Of course, AOL would never do this and Goodmail would never agree to this, because the paid spammers would refuse to get whacked with those kinds of potential charges. You will note that AOL is promising that their new policy won't hurt non-profit organizations, because they will pay for the costs incurred. But this places the one party most likely to abuse the system as the one party that decides who they will be nice to -- yet another situation ripe for abuse. AOL gets to decide who is a worthy non-profit organization, and everyone else can just kiss their ass. Take a look at what the police in Kenya are doing, and what the government in Darfur has turned a blind eye towards, if you need current examples of what happens when there isn't anyone around to watch the watchers. AOL hasn't quite gone that far (at least not yet, so far as we know), but they're certainly going down that path. And they're lying through their teeth about the real reasons why and what will happen as a result, and they're going to force all their members to go along with this idea whether they like it or not. And AOL will be just the first in a long line of companies to jack into this new and exceptionally profitable revenue stream. -- Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See <http://www.lopsa.org/>. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp