[Logica-l] [OFF] Fwd: Fw: Open letter

[Joao Marcos]

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From: Arnon Avron <a...@tauex.tau.ac.il>
Date: Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 7:59 AM
Subject: Fw: Open letter
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Dear Friends,

I belonged (and still do) to the sane left wing In Israel all my life. I
have always thought (and still do)
that the only possible solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the
two states solution, and that for this solution
Israel should give back *all* the areas that we conquer in 1967 (and
evacuate all the settlements made in those
areas), while the Arabs should recognize Israel and give up what they call
the "right to return". I have also
very strongly opposed all the Israeli settlements at the occupied areas,
and I was of course supporting
the evacuation in 2005 of those settlements that had been in Gaza's  strip, as
well as Israel's almost full disengagement  from
there in that year (I say "almost", because since then Israel is still
providing most of the electricity, oil, and other needed things
to the Gaza's strip, even though since 2007 this it is governed by an
organization that officially declares its goal to be the total
elimination of  Israel - and has been acting accordingly. This is  a
situation which is as absurd as UK regularly providing electricity and oil
to Germany
during the two world's wars...)

   I am telling you all this in order to explain that what is happening now
is something completely different. What we have
now is a *war* on Israel's *survival*. No less. After the unbelievable
horrible, cruel POGROM on October 7 ("The black Saturday" it is called here)
all the citizens of Israel who live in its south and in its north have been
evacuated to the center of Israel, and nobody
will agree to return if murderous organizations like HAMAS (which we have
all witnessed what it is ready and capable of doing) will sit on the borders
near them. Now Israel is a very small country. We cannot all concentrate in
the area of Tel Aviv (which for itself has  daily been
the target of missiles).  No country in the world can and would tolerate
either such a situation or a being brutally attacked by another
country, as Israel was victim to on October 7! (And what is called "Gaza
strip" was indeed before the war a country for all practical matters: it had
 a government, a parliament, police, and above all: strong army.)

   In view of these obvious facts, people like me are totally shocked by
the hatred of Israel (and frequently of Jews in general)
that we now witness in many campuses over the world, including many (far
too many) faculty members. Slogans
like "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea" have no other
meaning but the total abolishment of Israel.
And it is simply impossible to understand the support that a fanatical,
cruel and murderous organization like Hamas
is getting from people who call themselves "progressive" and who pretend to
care about human rights. It seems that
Israelis, including women and children, are not taken  as "human" by them.
(Actually, supporting Hamas means
that human rights of Arabic women are also not important for the
supporters.) This is a shame!!!

   Below is a link to a letter support us, initiated by professors in
Australia. I beg each one of you
to sign it and to spread it to other colleagues in the academy. It is
important!

Hoping for better days to come -

Arnon







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*From:* Igor Shparlinski <igor.shparlin...@unsw.edu.au>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:53 AM


Dear colleagues,

We would like to draw your attention to an open letter related to the
events of the 7th October:
https://sites.google.com/view/openletteracademics/home

The letter is open to all academics in all areas.

We wish you all the best during this sad and challenging time,
Alina and Igor

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Associate Professor Alina Ostafe,
https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~alinaostafe/

Professor Igor Shparlinski,
Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science
https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~igorshparlinski/



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