Just to throw my 0.02 $USD in here. The original concept was great!
1. a nice packaged way to download the book, 2. the sources you needed 3. and a host OS all in one shot. If you were forced to work offline, you had everything you needed. And a rescue CD in addition. Thanks Dan O. Luer --- On Thu, 7/29/10, J. Greenlees <[email protected]> wrote: > From: J. Greenlees <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: LiveCD Project > To: "Development of LFS LiveCD" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 11:29 AM > Dan McGhee wrote: > > On 07/28/2010 08:19 PM, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > >> Originally, the CD came about because of the > general sentiment that > >> installing a host distro to get started building > LFS was annoying. Doing > >> so usually meant you couldn't use the whole hard > drive for LFS without > >> doing some crazy acrobatics. A secondary purpose > was to have a nice > >> packaged way to download the book, the sources you > needed and a host OS > >> all in one shot. If you were forced to work > offline, you had everything > >> you needed. > >> > > And this is a wonderful concept. I used it more than > once. > >> I think those reasons are still essentially the > main ones. Merge them > >> together and generalize it a bit, and what you get > is: > >> > >> 'Provide a packaged system that equips a user with > the tools they need > >> to build LFS and obtain online support while > building.' > >> > >> What do you think? Can it be improved? Does it > miss any purpose that the > >> LiveCD should try to fill? > >> > > This is adequate and simple. Let me, though, throw > something in that may > > add to the complexity and point the way to a heavy > "maintaining" effort. > > I have no idea what makes the current scripts > oppressive, and it seems > > to me that this may have been the main reason the > project ended in its > > current state. > > > > As stated, what would a LiveCD like this give a user > that the user > > couldn't get by using a livecd from any distro? Yeah, > installing another > > distro as a host system created all the negatives you > mentioned--I've > > walked that path. But one does not need to "install > the distro." All > > that's required is a cd similar to Ubuntu that boots > into a fully > > functional version of Ubuntu. I'm sure the other > distros have something > > similar. > > Yes, but they all have the same fatal flaw, the needed > development tools > to build an LFS system aren't in the livecds. They don't > include any > tool that isn't needed on them, the size constraints. > Bison, > gettext-devel, are just two examples of missing tools. > > > The question then becomes, "Do we want the LFS-LiveCD > to be just like > > any other livecd, or do we want it to be uniquely > LFS?" The follow-on > > question becomes, "If we want a unique livecd, how do > we do it?" > > It would have to be uniquely lfs. > > > One of the attractions LFS has for me is that > everything is built > > uniquely on my machine using my hardware. I don't have > to worry about > > any "optimizations" or package configuration that may > not quite suit my > > system. I think that this is the main reason for the > LFS-toolchain. So > > to make this LiveCD uniquely LFS, we could "build" an > iso image that > > someone could burn and use as their host system. I > think that this is > > what happened the first time I used the LiveCD years > ago and I really > > liked it. > > That is still what it provides. > > > If others don't want to go down that road, then I have > one wording > > recommendation for the purpose: > > > > 'Provide a packaged system that equips a user with the > tools they need > > to build [a basic] LFS [system] and obtain online > support while building.' > > > > I think "basic," or other words to relay the same > concept, lets people > > know that the end result will be a bootable system as > it exists at the > > and of Chapter 8. > > > > Dan > > Jaqui > -- > http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/livecd > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ > Unsubscribe: See the above information page > -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/livecd FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
