Dear S.J.R., Thanks for taking the time to reply in detail. Perhaps you are right about linux-exynos. No, actually I accept you are right. In a war of attrition, it's bound to get to such results.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:47 PM, S.J.R. van Schaik <[email protected]> wrote: > > Concerning the linux-sunxi wiki, if you want to get somewhere, then first of > all stop throwing a bunch > of argumenta ad hominem into an e-mail to a public mailing list. It simply > won't get you anywhere. > Rather than editing the wiki as you see fit, it is usually better to address > the issues of the wiki, propose > some changes and talk about your proposal with active members of the > community, such as Luc. I am > quite sure that if you do this properly, that you can reach a point of > consensus in that regard. > Community building is not about blaming one single person within a > community, it is a matter of > working as a community, talking to each other, and trying to get somewhere. > It's great to work with consensus. If everyone plays nice and you are happy to apologize if something goes wrong, is perfect for the ideal community. For the case of the sunxi wiki, I would like to ask you whether there was a discussion or a consensus when parts about "GPL violations" were added to several places. In addition, the text around the "GPL violations" was far from neutral, which Also, the main page of the wiki features the text "Allwinner does not actively participate in or support this community. In fact, it is violating the GPLv2 license in several ways and has so far not shown willingness to resolve this." That's a big statement to make. The http://linux-sunxi.org/Talk:Main_Page does not mention any relevant discussion for that statement. > Finally, if you don't like how someone is reacting to you, then remember > that it is hard to read > someone's feelings from an e-mail, and that you can always change your own > approach to get a > different reaction. In the worst case you have to let it rest for a while, > instead of adding more fuel to > the blazing fire. That way you also get yourself some time to think about > it. > I think the current situation is that of a stalemate. This fire has been burning for more than six months, with no attempts of an intervention. I do not think it is something that will be forgotten or attitudes will change. I think I can read the feelings from an e-mail, and get a good picture from several emails. By reading the mail titled "Formal request for source code for LGPL licensed software", I can see that the text is very hard to read. The text makes sense to the writer but it's the reader who is important. If those previous e-mails were written in the same way, I can fully understand why they were ineffective. Getting no result from those requests to resolve violations, is frustrating. And it's frustrating enough that it becomes emotional, and it was has led to the current situation. Personally I would help a friend of mine not to get stuck in such a situation. A more proactive attitude would be to get to a statement like 1. any license violation to free/opensource software is unacceptable 2. there are cases of "avoidable" violations. What do we do there? Select a direction and follow it. 3. pursuing GPL violations on the linux-sunxi mailing list is unacceptable. If you have a case, then sue (the right target). As others mentioned (and their message was drown out), try to get the support of something like the SFC so that they can evaluate the merits of pursuing. And then the SFC would do the talking. All the best, Simos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
