on 10/2/08 11:18 AM, Rev. Eric J. Stefanski at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Kevin Bice wrote:
> 
>> My problem has been finding an appropriate tool to replace LR.
> 
> Exactly; there is nothing that comes close, imo.
> 
> I've got about 150 lists on several domains...all of which are not-
> for-profit and would be using Yahoo Groups or something if I weren't
> doing this (or they would simply not be doing anything).
> 
> It's weird; for the first time, my hardware's actually ahead of my
> software. I had to upgrade once--good grief it must have been six
> years ago now!--because LR Admin no longer wanted to fit on a 13 in
> monitor (which is what it was on with an early Power Mac of some sort
> after I upgraded from running it on an SE/30). Now, I'm holding back
> on Leopard on my iMac because of LR (and because it will mean finally
> having to give up Webstar and setting up Apache [which I've heard is
> easier with iTools, but still...it's extra work that requires
> twisting my head too far out of Greek and Hebrew mode and into code
> mode than I can comfortably do anymore]). If there were something
> else--or, better, if enough people wanted to do what we do to make it
> financially worthwhile for Jud to continue--that would be great, but
> so far there's nothing LR's equivalent.
> 
> Perhaps the guys running LR alongside of EIMS have a way of
> preventing backscatter in that arrangement. If so, I'd like to hear
> it, as I think the folks from the domains I serve would be willing to
> come up with the money to make that happen if it would solve the
> problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'backscatter.' Can you elaborate?

I have to agree about LR's usefulness. We looked at several list server
packages about 6 months ago - from high end commercial offerings to several
open source (apache/php/mysql driven) solutions, and stayed with LR because
it does everything we need. The commercial stuff was too expensive with too
many bells and whistles, the open source stuff was good but not quite right
for us or didn't seem a mature enough product, and the services either
wanted to place adds on our mail, or charged enough to not make it optimal
for us, or lacked key features we needed. BTW, we host a number of
not-for-profit or non-profit lists, so cost was a big factor. One day I
expect LR to be officially at end-of-life and then we'll have to figure
something out...

Tony



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