On Friday 15 August 2014 09:34:04 Alex Merry wrote: > On Friday 15 August 2014 10:21:57 Mark Gaiser wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Àlex Fiestas <afies...@kde.org> wrote: > > > Hi there > > > > > > At the Randa sprint we have discussed a little bit what to do with those > > > frameworks that are still not mature (for example they can't commit on > > > ABI/API stability) but they are ready for feedback from third party > > > developers. > > > > > > Even though there was not consensus in the discussion this is an idea > > > that > > > came out during the discussion: > > > > > > -We introduce a Maturity level that we can use to manage expectations > > > about > > > the Framework (for example whether API/ABI will be kept) > > > -We release Frameworks that are not ready together with the rest, but we > > > have to make damn sure we manage expectations. > > > > > > With this we can get early feedback for new frameworks, and since we > > > have > > > a > > > rapid release cycle we can improve them fast. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > It depends on how you define maturity. > > > > For instance, if a maturity is simply a value set in each project' > > metainfo.yaml and set by those that maintain it then the maturity > > level quite frankly doesn't tell you anything. > > > > But if you decide maturity dynamically based on git activity, api/abi > > stability, number of people contributing and where the project itself > > is used in other projects (just some conditions that i can think of > > now, there is probably more). With this a project maturity actually > > has a meaning. When going for this approach it would also be nice to > > show a list of projects using "Framework X". Also, i do not consider a > > project being healthy when it has only one developer [1] even if the > > project is used by dozens of other projects and has much activity. For > > us - kde devs - we probably don't care much if a framework is being > > developed/maintained by one person, but for external potential > > framework users that will be a concern. Specially companies. > > I think you're talking less about "maturity" and more about "vitality", or > something. Anyway, naming aside, I think Àlex was talking specifically about > API/ABI guarantees - we offer pretty strong guarantees, and fresh projects > may not want to commit to that until they've had some real-world usage and > feedback. This would allow the equivalent to kdelibs' old "experimental" > tagging, which was used for a couple of libraries while they settled on an > API. > > I think it could be useful, but would definitely require very careful > communication.
And that's the problem if we release them. If it's released "with the rest" expect people to have wrong expectations about them. A possibility would be perhaps to produce nightly tarballs for those frameworks which don't have the "release: true" flag. This way they keep not being part of a release, and early adopters have something easy to grab. Regards. -- Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net KDAB - proud supporter of KDE, http://www.kdab.com
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