This was the pattern I was thinking of when I mentioned Aesthetic Dress -- 
Artistic Reform is another term for it. I did not know if the pattern was still 
available. It's a beautiful, authentic Victorian gown. 

Kathleen


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Unboned corsets work fabulously.  I use them for riding.  Also, you might
ant to look into this:
ttp://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html
pparently there was a movement during this time to wear unrestricted
lothing.  As I recall, the pattern information itself states that these
ere designed not as absolutely historically accurate.  I will look at mine
ater today and refresh my memory.  They are such beautiful "dresses"
Sg  (on the other side of Phoenix, Buckwheat)

n Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. <
anordto...@stthomas.edu> wrote:
> After a couple of surgeries I now wear a compression camisole most of the
 time, except to exercise. They really are comfortable if done right.

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 Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:11 PM
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 I'm thinking maybe not tie the corsets so snugly.  They are actually very
 comfortable to wear.  Or look into corded stays rather than boned stays.


 Cactus
 Apache Junction, AZ


 From: Kathleen Norvell <app...@aol.com>
 To: h-cost...@indra.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians



 Aylwen,
 For Victorian, maybe the musicians could adopt "Aesthetic" dress, which
 requires no corsets.

 Just a thought.

 Kathleen


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 From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden <aylwe...@gmail.com>
 To: Historical Costume <h-cost...@indra.com>
 Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 12:57 am
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians


 I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women
 itting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up
 laying the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my
 usicians complaining too much?
 'm right at the beginning in my research so far.
 any thanks,
 ylwen

 n 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones <elizabethrjones2...@gmail.com
 >wrote:
 > Hi Aylwen,
 What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there
 won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600
 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high
 fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't
 high fashion)
 Elizabeth

 On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden
 <aylwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > Dear Friends
 > Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and
 > undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for
 our
 > pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices
 of
 > the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but
 still
 > have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice?
 > We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way.
 > Many thanks,
 > Aylwen
 >
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