Part of the problem, it could possibly be a version of several different types, so one name may not get you what you're looking for.
This hat, yes? http://www.bbcamerica.com/copper/blog/where-to-watch-copper/?cm_mmc=Responsys-_-email-_-BBCA_2012_08_20_newsletter-_-email&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Responsys&utm_campaign=BBCA_2012_08_20_newsletter My husband has been researching men's hats of around this period for Steampunk play. My reaction to most of the links below is that the brims are all too wide and up-curved, but he assures me that it's perfectly ordinary and possible to flatten a too-curved brim with steam. So then you get to flat-ness of the crown and height. He says the Coachman's hat at the Gentleman's Emporium looks pretty close. Although the GE site dates this to "late 1800's" and Copper appears to be set WHILE the Civil War is still going on (1864 to be exact). John Bull seems to be a bit of a catch-all term... he's seen a TON of variation in what is labelled "John Bull" on-line. Derby style is quite late 1800's - early 1900's, so it's unlikely that this, in period, would have been referred to as a "derby" anything. AND Derby's ALL have a rounded crown. There is a ton of variation in hat styles during this period, and next to no mass-production, which also lends itself to "infinite variation". In teh husband's research so far, a sharp edge between the top and sides would have been constructed (felting would probably be softer, curvier, but MIGHT be "sharpenable" at the starching stage). And also depends on the hat form being used. Note that the chief sidekick wears ALMOST the same hat as above, except with a noticeably lower crown! (or maybe just a smaller crown, argh) Well. At the link above there's a tab for "Characters" which gives a good idea of the cross-section of hats that may appear in the series. It does look like these may be pre-production shots though, as Corcoran and Maguire appear to be mix-n-matching at least two hats between them! Although no sign of my lower-impression Maguire hat! Different people also wore their hats higher or lower on the head, which makes a very large difference in the appearance, as does the hardness or softness of the material of the hat. There are also lots and lots of images (with links to other suppliers), if you google "John Bull hat" and look at the IMAGES. have fun! chimene On Sep 8, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Lauren Walker wrote: > I don't know -- looking at the 19th-century costume hatters, there are hats > they're calling "low derby" or "flat top derby" that look like it; > http://www.ushist.com/19th-century_mens_hats_f.shtml > it also looks like their "coachman" hats. > http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/000397.php?gclid=CPOTwuDJp7ICFUXf4AodzA4Agg > > Most entertaining to me is that what it *really* looks like is a modern-day > women's dressage hat. > Dressage hat: > http://www.doversaddlery.com/wool-felt-dressage-hat-chrstys/p/X1-36035/ > > I get that it doesn't have the rounded crown of a modern-day derby or bowler, > but the 19th century versions were sometimes flat. > It doesn't look tall enough to me to be a top hat, however. > > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.wal...@comcast.net > > > > On Sep 8, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Kim Baird wrote: > >> I don't know what it's called, but it's obviously a top hat with a short >> crown. Nothing like a derby or a pork pie. >> Kim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Lauren Walker >> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:36 PM >> To: h-costume h-costume >> Subject: [h-cost] Copper >> >> I'm watching Copper on BBC America. Can someone tell me what the hat >> Corcoran wears is called? It's sort of a porkpie, but a little taller than >> the modern version that goes by that name, and the crown's not creased >> anywhere. >> Or maybe its a derby with the crown flattened? >> Anyway it's a great hat. >> I'm enjoying the costumes on this show, maybe because I don't know the >> period all that well! >> Thanks! >> Lauren >> Lauren M. Walker >> lauren.wal...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
