Hi Branden, On Sun, Sep 07, 2025 at 08:51:29AM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Alex, > > At 2025-09-07T12:22:35+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > > I never received a copy of > > <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2025-08/msg00028.html>. > > I guess you only sent it to the list? Or maybe it got lost... > > Either is possible. > > > Anyway, below goes my updated opinion. See at the bottom. > [...] > > > > I think the behavior with '"' makes more sense than with '\[dq]'. > > > > Maybe some conditional within groff(1) checks for '"' but forgets > > > > to check for the synonymous '\[dq]'? > > > > I have changed my mind. I think the behavior of mandoc(1), and that > > of \[dq], is the one I like. > > > > The '?' within quotation marks does not end the sentence, and is just > > part of the quoted text. The enclosing sentence was missing an > > end-of-sentence punctuator. > > Okay. Please review points A and B of the URL cited above.
About point A: I need to think about it. So far, the project is quite consistent (with some minor exceptions) in using vertical quotes. I'd have to do a lot of work to transform all of that, and decide on some rules about when to use each of them. I don't say no, but I don't see it happening soon. About point B: I agree. It would reduce some confusion. But it would be a lot of work. Some day... Eventually... I guess. :) > > I've fixed that with: > > > > $ git show ddb26eb2011a > > commit ddb26eb2011a498ece999aa44e501e0ed7fddb09 > > Author: Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]> > > Date: Sun Sep 7 10:06:47 2025 +0200 > > > > man/man3/cfree.3: pfix > > > > Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar <[email protected]> > > > > diff --git a/man/man3/cfree.3 b/man/man3/cfree.3 > > index b117539be..dfa2b5a13 100644 > > --- a/man/man3/cfree.3 > > +++ b/man/man3/cfree.3 > > @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@ .SS 3-arg cfree > > to free memory allocated with > > .BR calloc (3), > > or do I need > > -.BR cfree ()?" > > +.BR cfree ()?\[dq]. > > Answer: use > > .BR free (3). > > .P > > > > Which formats as: > > > > $ MANWIDTH=72 diffman-git ddb26eb2011a > > --- ddb26eb2011a^:man/man3/cfree.3 > > +++ ddb26eb2011a:man/man3/cfree.3 > > @@ -54,7 +54,7 @@ DESCRIPTION > > to your file. > > > > A frequently asked question is "Can I use free(3) to free memory > > - allocated with calloc(3), or do I need cfree()?" Answer: use > > + allocated with calloc(3), or do I need cfree()?". Answer: use > > free(3). > > > > An SCO manual writes: "The cfree routine is provided for compli‐ > > Your selection of closing quotation character happens to be irrelevant > to the EOS-transparency properties of the `"` ordinary and `dq` special > characters, because of a further change you made. Yup. I wonder if in some case I wouldn't want to have punctuation in my sentence and then the punctuation of the quotation might degrade the text. Maybe something like: The kid asks "Can I go to the park?" every morning. There should be no inter-sentence space in there. > > -.BR cfree ()?" > > +.BR cfree ()?\[dq]. > > By also adding a sentence-ending character _afterward_, the > EOS-transparency property of the "quotation" character becomes > irrelevant. > > However, I would repeat my counsel to use an idiomatic character to > close a quotation. In this case, that means `\[rq]` (and change the > quotation's opening to use `\[lq]`). > > > This is anti-American, I know, but Americans are not reasonable > > regarding quoting. > > Some of us are, some of the time. ;-) > > My copy of CMoS 18 (2024) says (§6.9)... > > The British system (or a variation of it) may be appropriate in > works of textual criticism or in computing coding and other > technical or scientific settings. See also 12.7–8, 12.30–31. > > ...and (§12.7)... > > 4. At the end of the quotation, a period or other mark of > punctuation in the original may be omitted or changed to a > period or comma as required by the surrounding text; a question > mark or exclamation point may be retained if it continues to > apply to the word or words as quoted. > > ...so your preference is, I think, fully licensed by Chicago, and that Uhh, I didn't expect this one. Nice! 50 points for the house of Chicago. :-) > frees up your anti-American sentiments to be directed more justly, say > at the sitting President and majority party in the houses of Congress. > (Personally, I'd add a big chunk of the craven, billionaire-captured > minority party in Congress to my negative sentiments.) > > ✊, > Branden Have a lovely night! Alex -- <https://www.alejandro-colomar.es> Use port 80 (that is, <...:80/>).
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