On Tuesday, 21 January 2025 05:59:41 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> Hi onf,
> 
[...]
>     The good news is, that's sorted out now, and comes with a "NEWS"
>     item.[1]  Deri was really helpful in sorting out the issues here.
>     (As you're aware, there are knock-on issues not yet resolved to his
>     satisfaction.[2])
>     
[Rearranged]

>     [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2024-12/msg00168.html

I think this was in a discussion on what should be sent in the grout file 
AFTER you make groff UTF-8 aware (without preconv), should grout continue with 
the \[uXXXX] form, or pass the character data as UTF-8. Given onf and Peter 
were generally supportive of seeing UTF-8 in grout, and your defence of it was 
described as "making it perfect for most people would make it horrible for a 
small minority, so let's rather keep it bad for everyone", I rather think the 
consensus would be to use UTF-8 in grout. For people using an ascii locale it 
is unlikely their documents will contain anything but ascii so would be 
perfectly readable in UTF-8 grout.

Other issues in the message have yet to be answered.

>     ii. Hyperlinking macros need to be added to ms(7), me(7), and mm(7).
>         Here, at least with mm, the problems of within-document linking
>         may be solvable with less disruption (meaning: no new macros),
>         because the package already supports an internal referencing
>         system.  Also, there is likely much less demand for deep links
>         across documents using these packages.
> 
>         If someone's wondering, I'm not a fan of groff_www(7) and don't
>         anticipate using it.

Keith added a hyperlink macro to -mspdf:-

.XR destination <post> <pre>

Which I am supporting because it follows the style other ms macros, however I 
have simplified formatting of the hyperlink text, borrowing Peter's (mom) idea 
of using "expandos" as part of the hyperlink text.

[...]

> Let's see, is that everything?  When I'm brain-dumping, sometimes it's
> hard to tell whether I'm finished.  An affliction of age, maybe...

Not the only age related issue with detecting if a flow has finished!

> Regards,
> Branden

Cheers

Deri




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