Patience, Stevan. Patience, please... jc --
Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature comparée Université de Montréal Le vendredi 14 août 2015 à 12:28 -0400, Stevan Harnad a écrit : > Perhaps it’s time for our newcomer, Nicolas Pettiaux, to stop posting for > a while and do a little reading to inform himself about OA and its (short) > history. Otherwise he is just making us recapitulate it for him. > > > On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear > > > > I appreciate these discussions and clarifications. For me, and for most > > people who are nex to the subjects and I meet, "Gold open access" and > > "green open access" are confusing terms, even though they have been used > > for a long time in official documents. > > > > Green refers to nature and gold to expensive. What else for newcomers (= > > most people in fact) ? > > > > And nature is not necessarily cheap, while gold is most of the time > > expensive. > > > > What is "cheap open access" ? By cheap open access, I mean the full > > price of publishing a work (most of the time online only) in such a way > > that its overal price be as low as possible and ONLY reflect the actual > > costs ? > > > > The best method I can think of is forget about ANY journals, and > > consider as "publication quality paper" a work that is published > > anywhere online, be it on an institutional (open) repository or any > > website. Stop counting papers but only refer to their quality as > > measured for example effective evaluation of a committee made of human > > beings and not anymore by any accounting technique. Yes, this would > > suppose that on a per document base, or per person base, a committee > > would have to do actual work. But this is done already for most grant > > attribution or tenure selection processes. Maybe not yet by the actual > > reading of the papers and comments about his own papers an authors would > > write. > > Comments on a public website where the paper is published could also be > > taken into account in the evaluation. > > > > Many people agree today to consider that the peer review system does not > > work anymore due to a too large number of submitted papers and a too > > large number of journals/reviews. > > > > Is there any other solution than dumping the reviews, the journals, the > > papers as they are evaluated and listed today ? I am not the one > > proposing this . I have discussed the subject with Pierre-Louis Lions, a > > famous French mathematician, professor at the College de France and > > president of the board of the Ecole Normale supérieure who mentioned > > such a procedure he would appreciate and support. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nicolas > > > > -- > > Nicolas Pettiaux, phd - [email protected] > > Open@work - Une Société libre utilise des outils libres > > > > _______________________________________________ > > GOAL mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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