On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 17:03 +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > > Quick recap for people that haven't been following the news or got > > confused in the lots of data: > > > > 1. Freenode was sold in 2017 to some guy who apparently wasn't supposed > > to interfere with its operations. > > > > 2. In 2021, the guy actively started to interfere, then formed a one-man > > Board and demanded full compliance. > > The problem with a summary like that is, that you only present one view. > I.e. the view of the "winner" (history is written by the victors). But > part of the drama is that freenode owner said he was forced to take > actions for legal reasons (new owner is held liable for whatever his > staff is doing) after former staff refused to cooperate.
Freenode apologists are free to present their own point of view, and even believe in it. I am arguing for my point of view. > > 5. New Freenode staff (including some disreputable types) went angry > > about this and started automated reclamation of channels that indicated > > move to another network (including some channels that didn't because > > they failed at grep). > > You could also have a different view on that: We (like many others) > started to violate their TOS. It does not matter whether or not they > created these TOS retrospectively: It's a proprietary/privately owned > service. They can do whatever they like whenever they like. [...] What is the point you're making? If GF decides to kick you from Gentoo, will you also claim that it was their legal right? > > Just imagine unknowing Gentoo users having their systems compromised > > through advice from trolls pretending to be Gentoo developers. > > True. But this can happen wherever people talk about Gentoo. Even in our > forums, mailing lists or official IRC channels. I would recommend > everyone to relax a little bit. There will always be some imperfect > situations like that we cannot control. We shouldn't start to overreact. > Like we say, "Gentoo is about choice", have some faith in our users to > deal with that. No, it is not the same. Freenode was our primary support channel for many years. I am pretty sure that there are still Gentoo users who are unaware of the whole situation, and who might join Freenode seeking help. There is a major difference between potential support channels that were never official, and support channels that were discontinued. -- Best regards, Michał Górny
