On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:28 AM Michal Prívozník <mpriv...@redhat.com> wrote: > > On 6/16/21 11:21 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, Michał Górny wrote: > > > >> We've moved our official support channels from Freenode to Libera.chat. > >> All that's happened afterwards pretty much proves that this was > >> the right decision. Maybe even to the point of saying that staying > >> on Freenode would be dangerous to our users (e.g. because of the late > >> NickServ impersonations, ops with bad reputation etc.). > > > >> However, there are still IRC clients in Gentoo that default to Freenode. > >> I think the next questions we need to answer are: > > > >> 1. Should we be proactively changing the default network in IRC clients > >> (provided they have one) from Freenode to Libera.chat > > > > Yes. IMHO Freenode is no longer a reasonable default. > > Why should we mangle with packages this way? I mean, to me Gentoo was > one of the few distros that allowed real choice for users (systemd vs > openrc, selinux or !selinux, etc.). We shouldn't be making choices on > behalf of users. The best we can do is to open issues for whatever IRC > client we have in portage to switch from freenode to something different.
++ This makes about as much sense as changing the default homepage on browsers or the default address book on email clients. All of these things are used to interact with Gentoo. At this point I think it should be pretty obvious to anybody connecting to Freenode that something has changed. If our concern is users getting bad advice there, perhaps we ought to have more devs participate on the gentoo-user mailing list where we seem to hand out plenty of bad advice daily? :) I think that some point we need to just call this done. I was a proponent of switching networks, but at this point it seems like every FOSS org I'm in has some kind of daily Freenode drama going on. Just about everybody has switched - just call it a win already... I'm sure there will be people on Freenode 10 years from now, probably in many of these same channels. FWIW many IRC clients are already taking these steps. Connecting to Freenode on my phone IRC client is a bit like connecting to my UniFI controller at home using a browser... -- Rich
