Hi Gordon, On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:37:39 -0600 Gordon Pettey wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> Andreas K. Huettel posted on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:12:47 +0100 as >> excerpted: >>> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 18:16:33 CET schrieb Vincent-Xavier >>> JUMEL: >>>> Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : >>>> > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some >>>> > people prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has >>>> > nothing to do with making a distribution. >>>> >>>> No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction >>>> with future contributors unless they enroll is the eaxct way to >>>> kill Gentoo as a community ! >>> >>> We wouldn't have needed to go this far if not for a few outside >>> trolls who >>> * keep pushing their personal agenda in endless threads, >>> * confuse their own inability to contribute with being a mistreated >>> underdog, >>> * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things they >>> plainly have no clue about (while whining when are told they sprout >>> bulls##t). >>> >>> We do not have a problem with "future contributors". I wager those >>> will rather increase in numbers once the list spam is gone. >> >> >> This has been my biggest concern about the whole thing: >> >> Are we going to be nipping future devs in the bud because there's >> now too many hoops to jump thru too early, and it's simply not worth >> the trouble when they can (and will) go elsewhere where it's easier, >> >> OR >> >> Are we going to be lowering the unwelcoming noise, confusion and >> name- calling threshold and making the community more welcoming for >> those who have a serious interest, clearing out some of the stuff >> that could otherwise discourage them. >> >> >> It's pretty clear that council believes it's the latter, at least to >> the degree that they're willing to try it for a time, effectively a >> wager of sorts, but I don't believe anyone can honestly say what the >> real effect one way or the other will be until it /is/ tried. >> >> >> Personally, my viewpoint is that while over the last year or so there >> were some 1-2 level frustrating posters on a 5-point scale, it's >> nothing compared to the level-4 (direct name calling, just short of >> physical threats that justify getting the law involved) stuff that >> I've seen on this list in the some-years-distant past. In my mind, >> unquestionably that level-4 stuff required action, and it was taken. >> >> The recent stuff seems so much milder in comparison that IMO it's >> hard to see what the hubbub is all about, but there's certainly an >> argument to be made that the previous experience simply desensitized >> our detection meters, and that were it not for that, the recent >> stuff would seem rather more shocking and horrible than it does, and >> that even if it's /less/ horrible, it's horrible /enough/ that it >> remains unacceptable in a civilized society, and if we /do/ accept >> it, we're effectively pushing others that won't, out. > >Given the quantity of relevant problem-mail that came from >@gentoo.org, maybe the glass house dwellers should be careful where >they aim their stones. I considered taking the dev quiz and everything >instead of just posting a few ebuilds on bugzilla years ago, but the >elitist, as Alex labelled it, voices from @gentoo.org are what made me >decide not to, and my decision keeps getting reinforced. That >impression has been there for years, and it's not getting better by >this. > very sad you got that impression. And unfortunately, I cannot even wholeheartedly deny that this is true. Given the fact that we are severely understaffed when it comes to active developers, I hope you will reconsider your decision at some point and start doing the quizzes. Kind regards -- Lars Wendler Gentoo package maintainer GPG: 21CC CF02 4586 0A07 ED93 9F68 498F E765 960E 9B39
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