On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Andreas K. Huettel posted on Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:12:47 +0100 as excerpted: > >> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018, 18:16:33 CET schrieb Vincent-Xavier JUMEL: >>> Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : >>> > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people >>> > prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do >>> > with making a distribution. >>> >>> No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction with >>> future contributors unless they enroll is the eaxct way to kill Gentoo >>> as a community ! >> >> We wouldn't have needed to go this far if not for a few outside trolls >> who >> * keep pushing their personal agenda in endless threads, >> * confuse their own inability to contribute with being a mistreated >> underdog, >> * and keep commenting opinionated on technical things they >> plainly have no clue about (while whining when are told they sprout >> bulls##t). >> >> We do not have a problem with "future contributors". I wager those will >> rather increase in numbers once the list spam is gone. > > > This has been my biggest concern about the whole thing: > > Are we going to be nipping future devs in the bud because there's now too > many hoops to jump thru too early, and it's simply not worth the trouble > when they can (and will) go elsewhere where it's easier, > > OR > > Are we going to be lowering the unwelcoming noise, confusion and name- > calling threshold and making the community more welcoming for those who > have a serious interest, clearing out some of the stuff that could > otherwise discourage them. > > > It's pretty clear that council believes it's the latter, at least to the > degree that they're willing to try it for a time, effectively a wager of > sorts, but I don't believe anyone can honestly say what the real effect > one way or the other will be until it /is/ tried. > > > Personally, my viewpoint is that while over the last year or so there > were some 1-2 level frustrating posters on a 5-point scale, it's nothing > compared to the level-4 (direct name calling, just short of physical > threats that justify getting the law involved) stuff that I've seen on > this list in the some-years-distant past. In my mind, unquestionably > that level-4 stuff required action, and it was taken. > > The recent stuff seems so much milder in comparison that IMO it's hard to > see what the hubbub is all about, but there's certainly an argument to be > made that the previous experience simply desensitized our detection > meters, and that were it not for that, the recent stuff would seem rather > more shocking and horrible than it does, and that even if it's /less/ > horrible, it's horrible /enough/ that it remains unacceptable in a > civilized society, and if we /do/ accept it, we're effectively pushing > others that won't, out.
Given the quantity of relevant problem-mail that came from @gentoo.org, maybe the glass house dwellers should be careful where they aim their stones. I considered taking the dev quiz and everything instead of just posting a few ebuilds on bugzilla years ago, but the elitist, as Alex labelled it, voices from @gentoo.org are what made me decide not to, and my decision keeps getting reinforced. That impression has been there for years, and it's not getting better by this.
