On 07/22/2013 01:49 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 21/07/2013 23:38, hasufell wrote:
>>>> - consistency of tree quality
>> does not apply to p.mask'd packages
> 
> p.mask says that the package is in _bad_ quality, explicitly, and you
> can say how, so "does not apply" are not really the words I'd use.
> 

I did not know that p.mask is used indefinitely for low quality packages
and I don't like that concept.

>>>> - less user confusion (the checksum failures alone get us a lot of bugs
>>>> every release without people realizing what it means...) and people
>>>> expect packages to work in the tree
>> maybe
> 
> Not p.masked packages they don't. Just state it outright, maybe even
> fetch-restrict the package and warn them...
> 
>>>> - less bugs no one can do anything about
>> does not apply
> 
> *How* does making it into a semi-official one-purpose overlay reduce the
> number of bugs users report? Either you're banning it into a
> non-Gentoo-owned overlay, or you're just betting they would get the
> reason why it's not in an overlay, same applies to p.mask.

It will reduce the number of bugs, because there will be no bugtracker,
but only pull-requests. It would not be hosted on o.g.o. which means
gentoo bugs are not allowed.

> 
>>>> - easier contribution of users in an overlay, testing of hacks or other
>>>> stuff to make it work
>> does not apply
> 
> I'm afraid I have to agree with Michael here. Proxies would do that, and
> users are still free to experiment with overlaid version, I don't see
> how this makes much of a difference.

Well, I actually only mentioned that point as a side effect. Until
now... no one was able to provide a patch to fix one of the bugs you can
read in a hundred forums and bug trackers.

But it wouldn't make much of a difference, that's probably true.

> 
>>>> - making clear that gentoo does not support software with such low QA
>> does not apply
> 
> It applies perfectly. It's a p.mask for a reason, and can convey reasons.
> 

It does not apply, because we still support it officially in our main
tree as a distribution, no matter if it's p.masked or not.

One could probably argue that no one cares about this difference, but
it's still true.


Anyway... if people disagree, then it doesn't make much sense to remove
it. Otherwise it will pop up in the tree sooner or later again.

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