Marcus D. Hanwell wrote:
Dale wrote:
Philip Webb wrote:
080907 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
ignoring FHS ... are not valid solutions to this problem.
Why ? Who is demanding FHS compliance & for what reasons ?
Gentoo is not like other distros & sometimes needs to find its own way.
Given the well-known problems with KDE 4.0 & (still) 4.1 ,
I'ld like to be able to have the option of multiple versions available.
I really do appreciate the hard volunteer work the KDE team donates
& have nothing but thanks to them all, but shouldn't your priority be
to get KDE 4.1 into 'testing', so that users can actually try it out ?
There's also 3.5.10 , which has been released, but isn't in Gentoo yet.
As a lowly user, I would like to keep KDE 3.5.* for quite a while and
will most likely not switch until at least 4.3 or better is out.
Even that mostly depends on how many "issues" are still left out there.
The slotting of KDE 3.* and KDE 4.* was never a question - these will
always remain slottable. The question is whether we really need to
keep slotting of minor KDE versions in the new 4.* line, i.e. KDE 4.1
and 4.2 slotted on the same system. I think the benefits of an FHS
compliant, non-slottable (with other KDE 4 minor versions) install is
the best thing for our general user base.
I also see how we can have slots outside of FHS for developers, power
users and the ones who just like to be different ;-) These can be
maintained in an overlay and use different slots than the ebuilds in
the main tree. It is no real issue to be able to run a slotted KDE 4.2
install alongside an FHS install of KDE 4.* and so FHS installs can be
successfully slotted with other kdeprefix installs too.
This helps to make the normal KDE install much simpler to maintain
with less gradual build up of cruft over the years (multiple older
slots the user is no longer using). It also brings us into line with
the FHS compliant Qt 4 ebuilds and other desktops such as Gnome. The
purpose of these posts was to solicit further feedback before things
are pushed to the main tree.
Most other distributions install KDE into the main /usr hierarchy,
that is the way upstream intends KDE to be installed and I think it
will work well for most users. I do think Gentoo is about choice and
so having overlays with ebuilds in a different slot seems to be the
best solution we can offer given the constraint of slot invariance.
Thanks,
Marcus
To try to make my point clearer, if I can set a USE flag or some other
config so that I can have both KDE 3.* and KDE 4.* installed at the same
time and select which one to login into, I'm cool. That option doesn't
have to be available forever but long enough for KDE to get some of the
"kinks" worked out. I'm talking maybe 6 months to a year which will
vary depending on the speed KDE gets things worked out and
fixed?implemented.
I'm not hard to please by any means but I do like changes to not be a
overnight thing. I'm to old for things to "soak in" in a rush.
Thanks
Dale
:-)
