On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:04:09 -0700 Josh Saddler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's how it appears to someone reading all this, though: > > Ciaran *already knows* what's going on, which means that some > person(s) who *were* privy to those meetings have talked, plain and > simple. If that's true, then the information is out one way or > another, and now the Council can decide if they want to talk about it > first or let someone who wasn't actually at those meetings to divulge > all the details.
No, I don't know what's going on exactly -- I only have access to what people have said in public, and even then I'm not watching most of the IRC channels in which such things are usually said. What I do know: I know that there's a log involving a conversation between four or five Council members and one or two non-Council members that certain Council members are trying extremely hard to keep secret. I know that topics discussed in this log include the Code of Conduct and Gentoo sponsors, including OSL, and that it goes far beyond a private conversation. I know that at least one Council member would rather that this log were published. I know that at kingtaco and wolf31o2 have made threats along the lines of "if you screw us over we will remove your access", including to a fellow Council member. I know that at least one Gentoo developer is seriously considering resigning because of what the Council have been doing on this, and that several more have expressed extreme dissatisfaction at the way the Council is handling things. I know that the person responsible for the CoC is no longer involved with it because of the Council's actions. I know that at least one Council member has made claims to the effect of "if we don't get our way with this, Gentoo will be dead within a week", and that "you can disagree all you want, but you won't have an @gentoo.org address if you do". What I *don't* know is what the heck the Council has done to get Gentoo into such a mess, if those claims are true. Or, if they're not, I don't know how Council members can get away with making the kind of threats they are making. Now, to resolve this... Why don't the people involved get together and publish a several paragraph summary of what was discussed? They can agree to leave out anything that really is sensitive, but since the majority of the log presumably isn't, it would be good to see a public summary. > I guess it comes down to the trust you expect the Gentoo developers > who voted for you in the first place to have in you against the trust > the council members have in each other. This isn't a matter of > throwing someone to the wolves, but consider the rest of the trust. :) It kind of stops becoming a matter of trust when Council members that also have infra powers make threats about removing other Council members' access... -- Ciaran McCreesh
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