On 5/25/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
4) Goto code.google. Ack :(

I wouldn't discount GoogleCode (or Java.net or SourceForge or
CodeHaus). Right now, there's a GoogleCode site that I use everyday,
and it's been utterly reliable. There's features I miss, but the UI is
so convenient, I don't mind. We are not Borg, and not every software
product need live under the ASF umbella.

Jakarta2 - A flattened commons-like umbrella which in terms of change
means a flattened dev@ list and svn changes. What I don't know is
whether people are going to be demanding that the subsites look the
same; ie) need to mavenize each project and adjust the site. The
easiest way to deal with things will be to move the other subprojects
into Commons and reestablish the Project.

This is probably just an unfortunate turn of phrase, but we can't just
"move" anyone anywhere.  The Incubator PMC is not going to accept any
code without volunteers to go with it.  Likewise, we can't do anything
about the subproject websites without volunteers to do that work too.
But, as a PMC, we could ask infra@ to create a shared mailing lists to
replace the others, and make karma adjustments.

Here's my take-away from Henri's post. The Jakata PMC, as it stands
today, could set a deadline for the remaining subprojects to make
other hosting arrangements (TLP, Commons, Google). Otherwise, on a
date certain, we would create single Jakarta Dev and User lists for
all the remaining subprojects to share, and open karma to all the
subprojects to all the Jakarta committers, in the style of the
Commons.

In other words, create a TLP,  join the Commons, or become a commons.

One other alternative would be for the active committers to those
remaining subprojects to draft their own resolution proposal for
creating a new Jakarta PMC, and boot the rest of us out. :) Though, if
anyone wanted to make that happen, I'd suggest making it happen for
the June board meeting, to coincide with the Commons proposal.

-Ted.

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